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Post by tcat on Sept 6, 2024 5:57:50 GMT -5
Who called him a liar and what exactly did he lie about? There are many persons, especially on the internet, but i used to brush it off at the time, but after seeing his wife, mom, exbodyguard (altho i don't really believe him) say that there are a lot of fabrications in his music, kinda made me question Em's authenticity. I've seen a guy on YT claiming he grew up with Em and that most things he said aren't true. The most i've seen is that he lied about his childhood,that he didn't really suffer and that his mom/wife were actually nice and ,more recently, that he ain't really sober and that the "apology" songs for his mom/Kim were fake (like he didn't actually change at all and is still that horrible and vile person) Your looking at lies in his music? All artist take liberties in their art. Em has stated in the past he will sometimes embellish or exaggerate things in his music for the art. He has also said not everything in his music is autobiographical. Sometimes it's just storytelling. Several people who have known him for years have confirmed the stories about his mom and Kim. They used to be horrible, but so did Em. I'm sure they are better now, just like Em. But I don't think he made that stuff up. As for what people on the internet say, why would you believe that? I could say that I grew up with Em and he grew up in a mansion with a nanny and both of his parents, who had a good marriage. Doesn't make it true.
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Post by thepanpotato on Sept 6, 2024 6:16:25 GMT -5
There are many persons, especially on the internet, but i used to brush it off at the time, but after seeing his wife, mom, exbodyguard (altho i don't really believe him) say that there are a lot of fabrications in his music, kinda made me question Em's authenticity. I've seen a guy on YT claiming he grew up with Em and that most things he said aren't true. The most i've seen is that he lied about his childhood,that he didn't really suffer and that his mom/wife were actually nice and ,more recently, that he ain't really sober and that the "apology" songs for his mom/Kim were fake (like he didn't actually change at all and is still that horrible and vile person) Your looking at lies in his music? All artist take liberties in their art. Em has stated in the past he will sometimes embellish or exaggerate things in his music for the art. He has also said not everything in his music is autobiographical. Sometimes it's just storytelling. Several people who have known him for years have confirmed the stories about his mom and Kim. They used to be horrible, but so did Em. I'm sure they are better now, just like Em. But I don't think he made that stuff up. As for what people on the internet say, why would you believe that? I could say that I grew up with Em and he grew up in a mansion with a nanny and both of his parents, who had a good marriage. Doesn't make it true. I never said i believe everything he said, of course i don't and i'm aware that some stuff is just storytelling or exaggerated but it's still a difference between that and completely making stuff up just for attention. I used to think and appreciate how real he is and that he just expresses his emotion through his music, like for the most part i used to think he was truthful (like about his problems,abuse,etc), now i don't know what to think. I usually rely more on what others say bc i always think that "they know better than me, why would they lie",and i gave exemples of ppl who said that and that were actually around him. I genuinely want to know what is real about this guy..
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Post by traci on Sept 6, 2024 6:31:21 GMT -5
Your looking at lies in his music? All artist take liberties in their art. Em has stated in the past he will sometimes embellish or exaggerate things in his music for the art. He has also said not everything in his music is autobiographical. Sometimes it's just storytelling. Several people who have known him for years have confirmed the stories about his mom and Kim. They used to be horrible, but so did Em. I'm sure they are better now, just like Em. But I don't think he made that stuff up. As for what people on the internet say, why would you believe that? I could say that I grew up with Em and he grew up in a mansion with a nanny and both of his parents, who had a good marriage. Doesn't make it true. I never said i believe everything he said, of course i don't and i'm aware that some stuff is just storytelling or exaggerated but it's still a difference between that and completely making stuff up just for attention. I used to think and appreciate how real he is and that he just expresses his emotion through his music, like for the most part i used to think he was truthful (like about his problems,abuse,etc), now i don't know what to think. I usually rely more on what others say bc i always think that "they know better than me, why would they lie",and i gave exemples of ppl who said that and that were actually around him. I genuinely want to know what is real about this guy.. I say this nicely… If you want to know what is real about him or really anything about him… I’d Stan another because he extremely private and like Kelllly said.. not easy being his fan sometimes. 🙂
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Post by thepanpotato on Sept 6, 2024 6:44:58 GMT -5
I never said i believe everything he said, of course i don't and i'm aware that some stuff is just storytelling or exaggerated but it's still a difference between that and completely making stuff up just for attention. I used to think and appreciate how real he is and that he just expresses his emotion through his music, like for the most part i used to think he was truthful (like about his problems,abuse,etc), now i don't know what to think. I usually rely more on what others say bc i always think that "they know better than me, why would they lie",and i gave exemples of ppl who said that and that were actually around him. I genuinely want to know what is real about this guy.. I say this nicely… If you want to know what is real about him or really anything about him… I’d Stan another singer because he extremely private and like Kelllly said.. not easy being his fan sometimes. 🙂 It's true that is hard being a fan of his and, i think i expressed myself wrong there, i wonder if there is some truth in what he says, like thinking about his backstory for exemple..like you believe he really had that terrible childhood? As for him personally, i kinda figured him out imo,he seems to be better, same with Kim and his mom.. i personally think there is realness combined with artistic expression and all that ,like you said, again just my personal opinion. I don't mind what you said at all, i really wish i would find someone else but at the same time i really can't, his "realness" , with or without exaggerations, and his way of expressing his emotions through his music is what made me a fan, something i never felt or saw about any other singer.
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Post by missy84 on Sept 6, 2024 7:49:58 GMT -5
I never said i believe everything he said, of course i don't and i'm aware that some stuff is just storytelling or exaggerated but it's still a difference between that and completely making stuff up just for attention. I used to think and appreciate how real he is and that he just expresses his emotion through his music, like for the most part i used to think he was truthful (like about his problems,abuse,etc), now i don't know what to think. I usually rely more on what others say bc i always think that "they know better than me, why would they lie",and i gave exemples of ppl who said that and that were actually around him. I genuinely want to know what is real about this guy.. I say this nicely… If you want to know what is real about him or really anything about him… I’d Stan another because he extremely private and like Kelllly said.. not easy being his fan sometimes. 🙂 I agree. Even the nosiest fan and gossip sites can’t get any real info on him lol. It’s all hearsay and rumors and that probably all we will ever know. I understand his want and need for privacy, but simple things like his favorite food or color seems to be too much info for anyone to know. I get it, but I don’t get it at the same time if that makes sense.😆
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Post by traci on Sept 6, 2024 7:56:11 GMT -5
I say this nicely… If you want to know what is real about him or really anything about him… I’d Stan another because he extremely private and like Kelllly said.. not easy being his fan sometimes. 🙂 I agree. Even the nosiest fan and gossip sites can’t get any real info on him lol. It’s all hearsay and rumors and that probably all we will ever know. I understand his want and need for privacy, but simple things like his favorite food or color seems to be too much info for anyone to know. I get it, but I don’t get it at the same time if that makes sense.😆 understand completely lol. honestly, this was probably one of his most public years… seen with family at football games and a wedding picture! That’s about as good as you’ll usually get.
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Post by space on Sept 6, 2024 9:11:54 GMT -5
To be precise his mother gave birth to him at the age of 17.
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Post by annie18 on Sept 6, 2024 9:33:49 GMT -5
There are many persons, especially on the internet, but i used to brush it off at the time, but after seeing his wife, mom, exbodyguard (altho i don't really believe him) say that there are a lot of fabrications in his music, kinda made me question Em's authenticity. I've seen a guy on YT claiming he grew up with Em and that most things he said aren't true. The most i've seen is that he lied about his childhood,that he didn't really suffer and that his mom/wife were actually nice and ,more recently, that he ain't really sober and that the "apology" songs for his mom/Kim were fake (like he didn't actually change at all and is still that horrible and vile person) Your looking at lies in his music? All artist take liberties in their art. Em has stated in the past he will sometimes embellish or exaggerate things in his music for the art. He has also said not everything in his music is autobiographical. Sometimes it's just storytelling. Several people who have known him for years have confirmed the stories about his mom and Kim. They used to be horrible, but so did Em. I'm sure they are better now, just like Em. But I don't think he made that stuff up. As for what people on the internet say, why would you believe that? I could say that I grew up with Em and he grew up in a mansion with a nanny and both of his parents, who had a good marriage. Doesn't make it true. You are free to believe whatever you want but if you go along with what internet people say well that's your choice lol have fun, I've been following him forever and let me tell you every once and again there are people starting all kinds of rumours just when they said Austin was Parker's dad, how many years people actually believe that shit it's crazy. Richard Gere's gerbil story is still around and people actually believe that's true lol. Just now I have people telling me so many batshit crazy strories from someone who has been feeding fake info all around different sites that would put to shame the shadygirlcrazy woman in IG lol and the movie this person made in her head well it's utterly amazing ... kudos for the level of creativity!!! And it also comes from the fact he's really private and his circle is really tight, he makes people signs NDAs when they work for him or to even enter his house. As for the sobriety thing, people just can't say yes I'm sober give me my coin it's more complicated than that. Like any artist he takes liberty in writing but that doesn't mean he is lying, how come someone from a nice and stable home can come out with something like the song Insane? Sorry but it isn't hard to assume he suffered some kind of abuse in his childhood... besides Social services don't take your baby just because you're a nice mom, something shitty definitely happened. He uses his daughter for songs yes, he used Kim and his mom as a punching bag yes. I think he regrets that but what's done is done, he can't change that, but I hardly believe someone who refused a lot of money for touring at his peak just to stay at home doesn't love his family, especially his daughters. Idk that's just my opinion
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Post by thepanpotato on Sept 6, 2024 9:55:27 GMT -5
Your looking at lies in his music? All artist take liberties in their art. Em has stated in the past he will sometimes embellish or exaggerate things in his music for the art. He has also said not everything in his music is autobiographical. Sometimes it's just storytelling. Several people who have known him for years have confirmed the stories about his mom and Kim. They used to be horrible, but so did Em. I'm sure they are better now, just like Em. But I don't think he made that stuff up. As for what people on the internet say, why would you believe that? I could say that I grew up with Em and he grew up in a mansion with a nanny and both of his parents, who had a good marriage. Doesn't make it true. You are free to believe whatever you want but if you go along with what internet people say well that's your choice lol have fun, I've been following him forever and let me tell you every once and again there are people starting all kinds of rumours just when they said Austin was Parker's dad, how many years people actually believe that shit it's crazy. Richard Gere's gerbil story is still around and people actually believe that's true lol. Just now I have people telling me so many batshit crazy strories from someone who has been feeding fake info all around different sites that would put to shame the shadygirlcrazy woman in IG lol and the movie this person made in her head well it's utterly amazing ... kudos for the level of creativity!!! And it also comes from the fact he's really private and his circle is really tight, he makes people signs NDAs when they work for him or to even enter his house. As for the sobriety thing, people just can say yes I'm sober give me my coin it's more complicated than that. Like any artist he takes liberty in writing but that doesn't mean he is lying, how come someone from a nice and stable home can come out with something like the song Insane? Sorry but it isn't hard to assume he suffered some kind of abuse in his childhood... besides Social services don't take your baby just because you're a nice mom, nothing shitty definitely happened. He uses his daughter for songs yes, he used Kim and his mom as a punching bag yes. I think he regrets that but what's done is done, he can't change that, but I hardly believe someone who refused a lot of money for touring at his peak just to stay at home doesn't love his family, especially his daughters. Idk that's just my opinion I get what you're (and the others) trying to say 100%, and it's actually very helpful and i appreciate that...as i said i never wanted to start anything or just stir drama, this is something i wanted to discuss for ages but i never had someone to do it. I'm still a new fan, i don't know anything, it's clearly you know better than me, that's why i ask this type of questions. So in the end, just to end this discussion, there is truth and exaggeration in his music,he never really "lied" about his life, he's sober and loves that family he has, i'd even say he really changed over the years for the better (that's just my opinion). Again, i really appreciate all of y'all efforts and the patience when dealing with my crazyness. Hope y'all have a good day
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Post by annie18 on Sept 6, 2024 10:22:50 GMT -5
You are free to believe whatever you want but if you go along with what internet people say well that's your choice lol have fun, I've been following him forever and let me tell you every once and again there are people starting all kinds of rumours just when they said Austin was Parker's dad, how many years people actually believe that shit it's crazy. Richard Gere's gerbil story is still around and people actually believe that's true lol. Just now I have people telling me so many batshit crazy strories from someone who has been feeding fake info all around different sites that would put to shame the shadygirlcrazy woman in IG lol and the movie this person made in her head well it's utterly amazing ... kudos for the level of creativity!!! And it also comes from the fact he's really private and his circle is really tight, he makes people signs NDAs when they work for him or to even enter his house. As for the sobriety thing, people just can say yes I'm sober give me my coin it's more complicated than that. Like any artist he takes liberty in writing but that doesn't mean he is lying, how come someone from a nice and stable home can come out with something like the song Insane? Sorry but it isn't hard to assume he suffered some kind of abuse in his childhood... besides Social services don't take your baby just because you're a nice mom, nothing shitty definitely happened. He uses his daughter for songs yes, he used Kim and his mom as a punching bag yes. I think he regrets that but what's done is done, he can't change that, but I hardly believe someone who refused a lot of money for touring at his peak just to stay at home doesn't love his family, especially his daughters. Idk that's just my opinion I get what you're (and the others) trying to say 100%, and it's actually very helpful and i appreciate that...as i said i never wanted to start anything or just stir drama, this is something i wanted to discuss for ages but i never had someone to do it. I'm still a new fan, i don't know anything, it's clearly you know better than me, that's why i ask this type of questions. So in the end, just to end this discussion, there is truth and exaggeration in his music,he never really "lied" about his life, he's sober and loves that family he has, i'd even say he really changed over the years for the better (that's just my opinion). Again, i really appreciate all of y'all efforts and the patience when dealing with my crazyness. Hope y'all have a good day It's not drama, you're just stating your views and opinions and people agree or disagree, it's ok. There's nothing wrong about that, you can believe whatever you want.
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Post by thepanpotato on Sept 6, 2024 10:28:53 GMT -5
I get what you're (and the others) trying to say 100%, and it's actually very helpful and i appreciate that...as i said i never wanted to start anything or just stir drama, this is something i wanted to discuss for ages but i never had someone to do it. I'm still a new fan, i don't know anything, it's clearly you know better than me, that's why i ask this type of questions. So in the end, just to end this discussion, there is truth and exaggeration in his music,he never really "lied" about his life, he's sober and loves that family he has, i'd even say he really changed over the years for the better (that's just my opinion). Again, i really appreciate all of y'all efforts and the patience when dealing with my crazyness. Hope y'all have a good day It's not drama, you're just stating your views and opinions and people agree or disagree, it's ok. There's nothing wrong about that, you can believe whatever you want. I completely understand Oh and when you mentioned the sobriety thing, i think you meant to say ppl just can't say yes i'm sober,give me my coint etc..not trying to be rude, it confused me a little 😅
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Post by annie18 on Sept 6, 2024 10:30:00 GMT -5
It's not drama, you're just stating your views and opinions and people agree or disagree, it's ok. There's nothing wrong about that, you can believe whatever you want. I completely understand Oh and when you mentioned the sobriety thing, i think you meant to say ppl just can't say yes i'm sober,give me my coint etc..not trying to be rude, it confused me a little 😅 Exactly that!!
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Post by missy84 on Sept 7, 2024 7:16:02 GMT -5
I get what you're (and the others) trying to say 100%, and it's actually very helpful and i appreciate that...as i said i never wanted to start anything or just stir drama, this is something i wanted to discuss for ages but i never had someone to do it. I'm still a new fan, i don't know anything, it's clearly you know better than me, that's why i ask this type of questions. So in the end, just to end this discussion, there is truth and exaggeration in his music,he never really "lied" about his life, he's sober and loves that family he has, i'd even say he really changed over the years for the better (that's just my opinion). Again, i really appreciate all of y'all efforts and the patience when dealing with my crazyness. Hope y'all have a good day It's not drama, you're just stating your views and opinions and people agree or disagree, it's ok. There's nothing wrong about that, you can believe whatever you want. I agree , it’s not drama. Everyone on here is free to express their opinion, and it’s ok if people agree or disagree. I think this forum is pretty mild compared to some other parts of social media. I’ve been in twitter and instagram and have not agreed with people’s opinion and It gets rough lol. If you don’t agree they call you a lunatic Stan and stuff like that. I’ve disagreed about him and the subject of dating and was told I was jealous and wanted to date him and didn’t want anyone else to have him so 🤣
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Post by thepanpotato on Sept 8, 2024 8:42:45 GMT -5
There are many persons, especially on the internet, but i used to brush it off at the time, but after seeing his wife, mom, exbodyguard (altho i don't really believe him) say that there are a lot of fabrications in his music, kinda made me question Em's authenticity. I've seen a guy on YT claiming he grew up with Em and that most things he said aren't true. The most i've seen is that he lied about his childhood,that he didn't really suffer and that his mom/wife were actually nice and ,more recently, that he ain't really sober and that the "apology" songs for his mom/Kim were fake (like he didn't actually change at all and is still that horrible and vile person) Your looking at lies in his music? All artist take liberties in their art. Em has stated in the past he will sometimes embellish or exaggerate things in his music for the art. He has also said not everything in his music is autobiographical. Sometimes it's just storytelling. Several people who have known him for years have confirmed the stories about his mom and Kim. They used to be horrible, but so did Em. I'm sure they are better now, just like Em. But I don't think he made that stuff up. As for what people on the internet say, why would you believe that? I could say that I grew up with Em and he grew up in a mansion with a nanny and both of his parents, who had a good marriage. Doesn't make it true. Wait now i just thought about this ... since he said SOME stuff is exaggerated or whatever therefore the other part must be true? Of course more or less (i won't include the storytelling songs bc ik those aren't real or not just about him) And iirc aside from his mom and Kim, there were other stories or stuff which was confirmed by others, even by them, like moving a lot, being poor and so on.. And yeah...i believe they're better ppl too or try to be, at least Kim and Em, idk about his mom.. Idk this just popped in my head and had to say it 🥲
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Post by me on Sept 8, 2024 12:58:17 GMT -5
Didn’t Hailie say on her podcast football season starts today? Will we see Em at games again? Hopefully… 😏
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