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Post by thepanpotato on Aug 22, 2024 11:28:38 GMT -5
I think so since Paul is the one with the bussiness side and seeks out every oportunity to make money or smth, like that NFT thing,in the case you mentioned Paul is the one with any law knowledge between him and Em. As for the BetterHelp thing , maybe Em ,or even his whole team , didn't know about the lawsuit or other stuff and actually had a good intention to help others idk, but of course with a "price". Just like i didn't know anything ab BetterHelp until now.
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Post by thepanpotato on Aug 24, 2024 12:05:08 GMT -5
Boy, so many interesting topics while I was away. I gotta give my impression on all of this lol. 😂 1. Well first of all, I believe Em wants to be as private as possible. We know so little about his private life since 2006. I've recently seen a video of a guy that works in SNL and he was asked about his least favorite celebrity to work with. He said it was Eminem because he was scared of him. He also stated that the area in the building where Em was preparing for the show was heavily guarded, even though the employees pass through that area all the time, no one was allowed to come even close. And the chances were you could have been knocked out first before you could bring him a cup of coffee. However, I also believe Paul and Tracy control him a lot and keep away many people from him. All of the celebrities have their so called handlers that control them. I'm assuming Em became too popular for them and they had to tame him somehow. 2. I do believe Em is suffering from some sort of a mental illness. It's probably his awful childhood combined with the messed up music industry. I'm assuming bipolar/borderline or even DID. I remember watching that Kamikaze interview and thinking Em looks like he's in a manic/hypomanic phase. So I'm sure there's something off. 3. I believe he's been with Kim without us knowing that. Maybe not all the time but let's say on and off and maybe less off but more on in the past two years. It's his music that keeps pinpointing to them being in a relationship again. And as many stated, what girlfriend would let her bf mention his ex all the time and show off the tattoo with their names and letting his ex's nephews come to his house etc. And we know that when intruder broke into Em's house he thought it was his nephew and that there was a female with him. Could it be Kim and her nephew? And that Hush interview. The interviewer asked him about Em and Kim's relationship and he said "they're not as vicious NOW". He said that as if they're together now, at this moment. 4. I also think some of his beefs and stories about his personal life are fake or stunts to make material for his music or to promote his music, as many here stated. Think the beef with MGK wasn't staged at first but let's say Em used it as an advantage to promote Kamikaze. MGK received money for that and promotion of his career in return, although he still gets bullied for that to this day and Em keeps using him as his punching bag to lash out imo. The same goes for his personal life. There were real issues between him and Kim but I believe some of the things were maybe exaggerated or faked to create this fake image of him being in bad relations with Kim all the time or to have material to write about, when they might actually be together and be good to each other. And when we speak about the intruder, the whole thing is very suspicious because as someone already said, the trial keeps getting delayed, like they're shoving it under the rug. The truth is we know nothing about him (unfortunately lol) and I believe many things will be relieved when he stops making music or when he dies. Well ,this is really interesting and i really want to put my 2 cents in: 1. I agree that Em wants to be as private as possible , maybe it's for the better to some extent. 2. I think that his childhood and substance abuse had marked him in some way or another, maybe the impact of the fame too, but i don't think he has a "mentall illness". 3. I don't think Kim and Em are together, maybe on and off idk. Seeing that the kids celebrate events like Christmas and so on at 2 separate houses doesn't really point out that they are together , just my pov. I would take what Hush would say with a grain of salt since he said he didn't talk to Em or knew anything about him since 2006. 4. I don't believe that his beefs and stories about his personal life are staged or fake. Take his addiction story for example, i don't think that's fake or made just to give him something to talk about and i think this one really affected him in some way. Whenever he talks about it he seems kinda sad.Also he posted pics of his sobriety chips, so i don't believe it's fake, plus there are people who talked about it like Elton John and 50 Cent, or his family. This is already well documented. Another exemple might be the bad relationship with his mom, the hard childhood he had, they were not staged or fake. I believe the beef between MGK and Em was real and it dates way back from 2018, since MGK made that tweet about Hailie and that freestyle about Shade 45. And if it was staged i don't think MGK would still be salty towards Em, saying he lied or that he name drops him for clout or made that mv for Rap Devil. That's my opinion. I agree that between Kim and Em were real issues, maybe some of them being exaggerations, but the truth is they were bad to each other, after seeing both sides of the story and more.Now i think they are good to each other since he built a house for her, being at school events together in the past and so on, him apologising to her publicly (that's a few reasons why i think Kim said he's supportive or that they're at least friendly). Also both spoke about being bad to each other , so i don't believe he only created " a fake image of him being in a bad relationship" to that, otherwise Kim wouldn't have gone make an interview telling her side of the story at the time or him making song a song apologising for being a bad husband, hence their relationship was bad. But as i said, now i believe they are good to each other, since both spoke positively about each other on several occasions. Another thing i want to mention is that since Em said many times that his music is his therapy or his way to express his emotions and so on , it points out more that ,at least his life stories, are real imo, not fake/staged.But maybe sometimes he gives bs answers to questions he feels unconfortable to answer. I agree tho that maybe after he retiers or after he dies , there would be maybe revealed.
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Post by thepanpotato on Aug 24, 2024 12:24:48 GMT -5
Hi! Interesting perspective! I also wouldn't be very quick to believe the KM FB account because once you start inspecting it + the timing of it, it again falls under the same category as everything you listed above! It all feels very orchestrated and it wouldn't shock me if he and his team are behind it all - let's not forget that everything started popping-up while his mysterious break-in incident/trial! It almost comes across like a plot/marketing ploy to get a very specific narrative out to the public (my opinion)! Apparently Nathan was friends with her on the account, and after the posts she made he unfriended her. Some of her posts about Em have also been deleted since pages caught wind of it and posted screenshots of her posts on their public IG pages. I agree with some things are set up as a marketing ploy, especially when we get random news articles when it's about time for him to role out an album, or like the one random "non paid for" interview Hailie did.. Em definitely set that up for her & paid them to get more attention to her IG page. Since that interview of her speaking came out and those pics of her randomly there were never any paparazzi pics again lol. Em has lived in Detroit for how long and we never have gotten any pics of him, yet we got a whole interview and pics of her standing in her doorway? A lot of things in this industry are staged and fake.. even when Kim mentioned how Em was supportive.. he might have been but maybe not to the extent that people want to believe. Do you think she would really come out and say "No, fuck him he's not supportive at all." On television, when she had to plea her case to not go to jail for a DUI.. of course not. So a lot of things these public figures say they are told to, not because it's the truth lol. I agree to this to some extent..it's true that a lot of stuff in this industry is fake or staged. I believe too that many interviews and so on are set as marketing ploy , especially when that artist rolls out an album or does smth. I think that interview of Hailie was set up to make her ig more popular but at the same time i believe she was genuine with the responses like her and Em being very close, and i don't think there was a reason for her to lie about that, and with seeing them together many times. I think Em is supportive of Kim , as she said , but to some extent, like he's not always with her , calling her all the time and so on but would help her with money or smth, which is still something. And i do believe her on that one since Em hasn't said anything bad ab her ever since 2010 , he built a house for her, prolly gives her money. Same as he said about her that she's a good mom and that they're on good terms idk. And after Kim's interview from 2006/2007 when she said Em was agressive and crying like a girl, she could've very well say he doesn't help her at all, just my toughts. I don't think someone would stay and tell Em what to say or how to say it, ik that his team is controlling but i don't believe they're as controlling as to have a say in every word Em said for example. That's why i believe him when he said he doesn't date (in 2017), that he doesn't have ghostwriters or that he's proud of being a dad and that he loves those kids or even him being sober , i think with these stuff he was truthful, along with a lot more.( which many of these being well documented already lol) Of course a lot of public fig are told to say some stuff,but i feel like Em might be told to say something if it's to protect his legacy or image idk, that's why i always look at more than just believe someone's words.
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Post by saucymynx on Aug 24, 2024 13:52:49 GMT -5
Apparently Nathan was friends with her on the account, and after the posts she made he unfriended her. Some of her posts about Em have also been deleted since pages caught wind of it and posted screenshots of her posts on their public IG pages. I agree with some things are set up as a marketing ploy, especially when we get random news articles when it's about time for him to role out an album, or like the one random "non paid for" interview Hailie did.. Em definitely set that up for her & paid them to get more attention to her IG page. Since that interview of her speaking came out and those pics of her randomly there were never any paparazzi pics again lol. Em has lived in Detroit for how long and we never have gotten any pics of him, yet we got a whole interview and pics of her standing in her doorway? A lot of things in this industry are staged and fake.. even when Kim mentioned how Em was supportive.. he might have been but maybe not to the extent that people want to believe. Do you think she would really come out and say "No, fuck him he's not supportive at all." On television, when she had to plea her case to not go to jail for a DUI.. of course not. So a lot of things these public figures say they are told to, not because it's the truth lol. I agree to this to some extent..it's true that a lot of stuff in this industry is fake or staged. I believe too that many interviews and so on are set as marketing ploy , especially when that artist rolls out an album or does smth. I think that interview of Hailie was set up to make her ig more popular but at the same time i believe she was genuine with the responses like her and Em being very close, and i don't think there was a reason for her to lie about that, and with seeing them together many times. I think Em is supportive of Kim , as she said , but to some extent, like he's not always with her , calling her all the time and so on but would help her with money or smth, which is still something. And i do believe her on that one since Em hasn't said anything bad ab her ever since 2010 , he built a house for her, prolly gives her money. Same as he said about her that she's a good mom and that they're on good terms idk. And after Kim's interview from 2006/2007 when she said Em was agressive and crying like a girl, she could've very well say he doesn't help her at all, just my toughts. I don't think someone would stay and tell Em what to say or how to say it, ik that his team is controlling but i don't believe they're as controlling as to have a say in every word Em said for example. That's why i believe him when he said he doesn't date (in 2017), that he doesn't have ghostwriters or that he's proud of being a dad and that he loves those kids or even him being sober , i think with these stuff he was truthful, along with a lot more.( which many of these being well documented already lol) Of course a lot of public fig are told to say some stuff,but i feel like Em might be told to say something if it's to protect his legacy or image idk, that's why i always look at more than just believe someone's words. He never built or bought a house for her. He paid for the mansion to be built for his children who were living with her at the time. She had to downsize TWICE in a pretty short period of time because she could not afford the up-keep. She bought the second house with proceeds from the mansion and then had to get a short-term loan from Em on the third house (current house). She had to pay that back with what was left over from the sale of the second house. I think I got that right??? Please correct me if I'm wrong someone! The downsizing may have been the fact that the kids were no longer living there (except for Parker) and he is probably the biggest reason he helps her...That and possibly guilt. Him making her take the loan instead of giving her the $ straight out should speak to something. He is very trusting of the business people around him, even to a fault I think, so I wouldn't put it past Em to fall in line if the need be. That is not a bad thing, that is business. He has a fortune and legacy to protect as well as a lifestyle to afford (up keep of house, security, Paul, etc.) Just my thoughts. I hope I came off respectfully. I wasn't trying to be a jerk.
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Post by thepanpotato on Aug 24, 2024 14:14:16 GMT -5
I agree to this to some extent..it's true that a lot of stuff in this industry is fake or staged. I believe too that many interviews and so on are set as marketing ploy , especially when that artist rolls out an album or does smth. I think that interview of Hailie was set up to make her ig more popular but at the same time i believe she was genuine with the responses like her and Em being very close, and i don't think there was a reason for her to lie about that, and with seeing them together many times. I think Em is supportive of Kim , as she said , but to some extent, like he's not always with her , calling her all the time and so on but would help her with money or smth, which is still something. And i do believe her on that one since Em hasn't said anything bad ab her ever since 2010 , he built a house for her, prolly gives her money. Same as he said about her that she's a good mom and that they're on good terms idk. And after Kim's interview from 2006/2007 when she said Em was agressive and crying like a girl, she could've very well say he doesn't help her at all, just my toughts. I don't think someone would stay and tell Em what to say or how to say it, ik that his team is controlling but i don't believe they're as controlling as to have a say in every word Em said for example. That's why i believe him when he said he doesn't date (in 2017), that he doesn't have ghostwriters or that he's proud of being a dad and that he loves those kids or even him being sober , i think with these stuff he was truthful, along with a lot more.( which many of these being well documented already lol) Of course a lot of public fig are told to say some stuff,but i feel like Em might be told to say something if it's to protect his legacy or image idk, that's why i always look at more than just believe someone's words. He never built or bought a house for her. He paid for the mansion to be built for his children who were living with her at the time. She had to downsize TWICE in a pretty short period of time because she could not afford the up-keep. She bought the second house with proceeds from the mansion and then had to get a short-term loan from Em on the third house (current house). She had to pay that back with what was left over from the sale of the second house. I think I got that right??? Please correct me if I'm wrong someone! The downsizing may have been the fact that the kids were no longer living there (except for Parker) and he is probably the biggest reason he helps her...That and possibly guilt. Him making her take the loan instead of giving her the $ straight out should speak to something. He is very trusting of the business people around him, even to a fault I think, so I wouldn't put it past Em to fall in line if the need be. That is not a bad thing, that is business. He has a fortune and legacy to protect as well as a lifestyle to afford (up keep of house, security, Paul, etc.) Just my thoughts. I hope I came off respectfully. I wasn't trying to be a jerk. Not at all , you were very nice and thank you for correcting me. At first i was told that he built that house for her and the kids (altho from what i could gather the kids would be at his house too) but she did some working on it or smth. This is the story i was told. But the fact he paid for it is still something imo, looking back on their relationship. I agree, the downsizing might have been bc she only has Parker now, and maybe doesn't need that much space or can't keep up to maintain it idk. I think he helps her bc of guilt , as he said bc she's the mother of his child (Hailie, i don't believe Parker is his son) and bc of how he treated her. Can you please explain the last part with the loan? i didn't understand it very clearly. And what i said are my thoughts too, like that he helps her to from time to time or if she needs smth, that's why Kim said "he's supportive" and why i believe his responses (at least most of them) are genuine imo.
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Post by saucymynx on Aug 24, 2024 14:44:07 GMT -5
He never built or bought a house for her. He paid for the mansion to be built for his children who were living with her at the time. She had to downsize TWICE in a pretty short period of time because she could not afford the up-keep. She bought the second house with proceeds from the mansion and then had to get a short-term loan from Em on the third house (current house). She had to pay that back with what was left over from the sale of the second house. I think I got that right??? Please correct me if I'm wrong someone! The downsizing may have been the fact that the kids were no longer living there (except for Parker) and he is probably the biggest reason he helps her...That and possibly guilt. Him making her take the loan instead of giving her the $ straight out should speak to something. He is very trusting of the business people around him, even to a fault I think, so I wouldn't put it past Em to fall in line if the need be. That is not a bad thing, that is business. He has a fortune and legacy to protect as well as a lifestyle to afford (up keep of house, security, Paul, etc.) Just my thoughts. I hope I came off respectfully. I wasn't trying to be a jerk. Not at all , you were very nice and thank you for correcting me. At first i was told that he built that house for her and the kids (altho from what i could gather the kids would be at his house too) but she did some working on it or smth. This is the story i was told. But the fact he paid for it is still something imo, looking back on their relationship. I agree, the downsizing might have been bc she only has Parker now, and maybe doesn't need that much space or can't keep up to maintain it idk. I think he helps her bc of guilt , as he said bc she's the mother of his child (Hailie, i don't believe Parker is his son) and bc of how he treated her. Can you please explain the last part with the loan? i didn't understand it very clearly. And what i said are my thoughts too, like that he helps her to from time to time or if she needs smth, that's why Kim said "he's supportive" and why i believe his responses (at least most of them) are genuine imo. Sure! They way I read it (it was in the news at some point), Em made Kim take out a large short-term loan from one of his companies (so very formal) to buy the home she is in now. She had only 6 months to payhis company back. He did not out-right pay for or give her the money for it. Hope that helps. This is the first link I came to when I Googled it: www.the-sun.com/entertainment/11221709/eminem-ex-wife-kim-mathers-house-market-downsizing/
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Post by thepanpotato on Aug 24, 2024 15:14:36 GMT -5
Not at all , you were very nice and thank you for correcting me. At first i was told that he built that house for her and the kids (altho from what i could gather the kids would be at his house too) but she did some working on it or smth. This is the story i was told. But the fact he paid for it is still something imo, looking back on their relationship. I agree, the downsizing might have been bc she only has Parker now, and maybe doesn't need that much space or can't keep up to maintain it idk. I think he helps her bc of guilt , as he said bc she's the mother of his child (Hailie, i don't believe Parker is his son) and bc of how he treated her. Can you please explain the last part with the loan? i didn't understand it very clearly. And what i said are my thoughts too, like that he helps her to from time to time or if she needs smth, that's why Kim said "he's supportive" and why i believe his responses (at least most of them) are genuine imo. Sure! They way I read it (it was in the news at some point), Em made Kim take out a large short-term loan from one of his companies (so very formal) to buy the home she is in now. She had only 6 months to payhis company back. He did not out-right pay for or give her the money for it. Hope that helps. This is the first link I came to when I Googled it: www.the-sun.com/entertainment/11221709/eminem-ex-wife-kim-mathers-house-market-downsizing/ Thank you and it's actually helpful Even if it was through his company is still something , rather than nothing and is kinda understandable somehow but he had paid for the first house tho. I have to say that it's kinda weird he made her take out a loan from one of his companies rather than straight up giving her,since he is a multi-millionare but i don't really care. I'm sure he gives her money from time to time too idk.
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Post by space on Aug 24, 2024 15:40:17 GMT -5
The loan only indicates that he wants the relationship with her to be purely businesslike. It's nothing strange, he's not unempathetic and cold, but when it comes to her, "he cools yogurt by blowing ".
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Post by saucymynx on Aug 24, 2024 15:45:49 GMT -5
The loan only indicates that he wants the relationship with her to be purely businesslike. It's nothing strange, he's not unempathetic and cold, but when it comes to her, "he cools yogurt by blowing ". That's what I meant by it saying something. But thank you for reiterating it.
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Post by thepanpotato on Aug 24, 2024 16:03:45 GMT -5
The loan only indicates that he wants the relationship with her to be purely businesslike. It's nothing strange, he's not unempathetic and cold, but when it comes to her, "he cools yogurt by blowing ". Ah thank you , makes more sense now 😅
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Post by thepanpotato on Aug 25, 2024 3:56:54 GMT -5
I hate to but in so randomly, but I have been a lurker for some time and this conversation made me really want to finally join and contribute.. so hi haha! I think it's very weird how people who are supposedly closest or supposed to be closest to Em are coming out on public platforms to speak about him when we know him/his team hates that shit. The nassan IG post about not being able to contact him, Stevie's tik tok she recently posted about Em and Kim not telling her that she was adopted.. it's all very weird timing or something is up. I also saw the Kim FB posts and he definitely keeps her at a distance as well. For good reason as she seems to be dealing with a lot, and it's probably not good for Em to be around her now a days. I hate to admit this, because I think he is a good person deep down and I have been a fan since the early days.. but his team has sheltered him from far too much but I think this is also Ems choice. We are quick to blame Paul and Tracy, but I think Em chooses to keep people away from him. He never wanted the fame, he cut off so many people.. even his own family. He is lowkey ruthless lol, but I get it. I think it's his preference to not be bothered, he even mentions this in his songs plenty of times, and a lot of the fault lands on Paul/Tracy. Do I believe they still control him heavily? Yes.. because at the end of the day, that's their money maker and they have an image to upkeep. I agree as well with him having some form of mental illness.. he struggles a lot, it's not that hard to tell if you really been a fan of him for many years. He's closed off but still very open about his struggles in his songs, you just have to be an over-analyzer (like me haha) and like people watching. He has soooo many patterns like a lot of you have mentioned that points to directly to a lot of mental disorders. I agree with this but i have to say , he didn't cut off his family, he still is with them a lot,maybe even more, and i think he's the closest to them especially Hailie and Nate probably. I think it would actually broke him if he would've cut off Hailie for example,which btw she talks about him so i don't find it weird or suspicious, after all he's her dad she can talk about him, it's not a crime. I agree with the fact that his team is controlling tho and that maybe Em is a recluse by choice and keeps people he doesn't know/feel confortable around at a distance ( i can relate to that bc i do that too lol). It's understandable why Em might choose to keep his distance from new people, since they might take advantage of him for money and so on, that's why he said he has trust issues and maybe bc Em's a creature of habit, so the "blame" isn't only on Paul or Tracy imo. About the Stevie's tiktok thing and Kim's FB , i think it's just weird timing, like i'm sure they didn't do it on purpose, Hailie talks about him from time to time on her podcast too, it's normal after all. Like, what he could possibly hide that he forbade absolutely everyone to talk about him? That's the weird part to me Is true that Em cut off many people but he still has friends he can talk to, he's not all alone. He cut off people like his mom and Kim due to problems between them and for the better, he didn't do it just to isolate himself.He still has the people he's the closest and the ones he can trust.I don't see him as ruthless bc of this, he was hurt many times by people close to him and he has trust issues bc of the fame/status,so as i said, i get it. I'm sorry if i came out rude,these are just my thoughts.
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Post by thepanpotato on Aug 25, 2024 4:53:14 GMT -5
Oh sorry I just noticed this was posted after I posted in the social media thread It’s odd. I can see both sides. I just hope Em is okay. If I think too much about his situation ill drive myself crazy. It’s so confusing Sometimes I wonder if Em has a secret and if Paul and Tracy aren’t overprotective it might be easily revealed so the less ppl that know or have access to Em the better. And maybe Em is okay with that. nasaan is still young. What if Em did something in front of him that was odd or worried him and it got out to social media. I also think after joe budden came and sniffed around and tried to get into Ems private business his team got extra closed off joe isn’t even allowed to say anything negative about Paul or Em now in his deal of letting SH off shady records all we know that Ems team is right we just don’t know the reason That's an interesting perspective but i personally think it's not that deep , like what secret could Em have that needs to be guarded like it's from FBI or something? Maybe he just wants to be left alone, without people being on his back constantly idk.
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Post by adele on Aug 25, 2024 5:48:36 GMT -5
I think so since Paul is the one with the bussiness side and seeks out every oportunity to make money or smth, like that NFT thing,in the case you mentioned Paul is the one with any law knowledge between him and Em. As for the BetterHelp thing , maybe Em ,or even his whole team , didn't know about the lawsuit or other stuff and actually had a good intention to help others idk, but of course with a "price". Just like i didn't know anything ab BetterHelp until now. Paul is a lawyer. He worked as a lawyer before meeting Em so he knows law, that's what he went to school for.
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Post by thepanpotato on Aug 25, 2024 7:06:52 GMT -5
I think so since Paul is the one with the bussiness side and seeks out every oportunity to make money or smth, like that NFT thing,in the case you mentioned Paul is the one with any law knowledge between him and Em. As for the BetterHelp thing , maybe Em ,or even his whole team , didn't know about the lawsuit or other stuff and actually had a good intention to help others idk, but of course with a "price". Just like i didn't know anything ab BetterHelp until now. Paul is a lawyer. He worked as a lawyer before meeting Em so he knows law, that's what he went to school for. Thanks for the info, i don't know a lot ab Paul tbh.
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Post by miarose on Aug 26, 2024 3:53:18 GMT -5
I think so since Paul is the one with the bussiness side and seeks out every oportunity to make money or smth, like that NFT thing,in the case you mentioned Paul is the one with any law knowledge between him and Em. As for the BetterHelp thing , maybe Em ,or even his whole team , didn't know about the lawsuit or other stuff and actually had a good intention to help others idk, but of course with a "price". Just like i didn't know anything ab BetterHelp until now. Paul is a lawyer. He worked as a lawyer before meeting Em so he knows law, that's what he went to school for. Yeah wasn’t he his attorney before being his manager?
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