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Post by thepanpotato on Sept 5, 2024 5:15:30 GMT -5
Em has said that he exaggerates and stretches personal experience in his writing. But I really don't think his love for his girls is contrived. Just my feeling after following him for all these years. I saw that his makeup artist liked one of Alaina's posts of her recent vacation, and left a cute comment. If Em and his kids werent close and it was all a fabrication, why would the woman who does his makeup know Alaina? Just my thoughts though, who knows. They are so private (rightfully so) so we wont know anything unless they decide to tell us š¤·āāļø being an Em fan is hard lol jks If he exaggerates and stretches personal experiences, then what's true from what he said? Like, i don't think he suffered as much as we believe...but i hope at least the love for his girls is genuine idk. And i agree, it's hard being a fan of his.
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Post by kelllly416 on Sept 5, 2024 5:29:34 GMT -5
Em has said that he exaggerates and stretches personal experience in his writing. But I really don't think his love for his girls is contrived. Just my feeling after following him for all these years. I saw that his makeup artist liked one of Alaina's posts of her recent vacation, and left a cute comment. If Em and his kids werent close and it was all a fabrication, why would the woman who does his makeup know Alaina? Just my thoughts though, who knows. They are so private (rightfully so) so we wont know anything unless they decide to tell us š¤·āāļø being an Em fan is hard lol jks If he exaggerates and stretches personal experiences, then what's true from what he said? Like, i don't think he suffered as much as we believe...but i hope at least the love for his girls is genuine idk. And i agree, it's hard being a fan of his. I think in the beginning of his career, that stuff was raw and real and you could just hear the rage in his voice. But as life became more cushy, he probably had to squeeze songs out of past, more interesting experiences. But I still stand by my strong belief that he loves his daughters as much as he says he does.
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Post by annie18 on Sept 5, 2024 5:38:48 GMT -5
Em has said that he exaggerates and stretches personal experience in his writing. But I really don't think his love for his girls is contrived. Just my feeling after following him for all these years. I saw that his makeup artist liked one of Alaina's posts of her recent vacation, and left a cute comment. If Em and his kids werent close and it was all a fabrication, why would the woman who does his makeup know Alaina? Just my thoughts though, who knows. They are so private (rightfully so) so we wont know anything unless they decide to tell us š¤·āāļø being an Em fan is hard lol jks If he exaggerates and stretches personal experiences, then what's true from what he said? Like, i don't think he suffered as much as we believe...but i hope at least the love for his girls is genuine idk. And i agree, it's hard being a fan of his. He did have a horrible childhood and didnāt exaggerate that, people around him confirmed this several times even Proof said it and he didn't have any reason to lie.
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Post by space on Sept 5, 2024 5:47:34 GMT -5
I recently stumbled upon an old interview of Kim from 2006/2007 where she talked about her relationship with Em , the kids, etc but some things stood up for me and made me wonder: She said that he constantly lies and that his "sensitive songs" (like Mockingbird and When I'm Gone) are basically a bunch of bs,which made me question all the other things he had said over the years, including recent years, like is he really sober or has he really "matured" and changed or was his childhood really that terrible... What do you think? Again, i apologise if this sounds stupid, i don't try to stir any drama or to cause any controversy or whatever..these are my genuine thoughts.. Interesting observation. You don't sound stupid at all, don't apologize for your observations, they are not mathematically exact and everyone can see and assume differently if they don't have a real true picture in front of them, or confirmation from someone. That's Kim, no one sees her as relevant. I don't believe that he would have given himself a certificate of sobriety, even though that path was not always clear of alcohol, it goes step by step, the same with drugs. His sensitivity is focused on the closest circle around him, family & friends. He has something unempathetic and sensitive at the same time, he acts like that. He is very malleable too. Donations are first of all something that is customary in society, I don't think that he is not benevolent, but it fits in with the mass of celebrities, so it should not be considered. Kim was probably referring to his rude speech towards her and the denial of funds to the extent that she demanded them. But let's not forget that he was advised in monetary expenditures according to Kim, ( i don't go into how rightly or wrong ) and charity. They ātreated each otherā with behavior and vocabulary. That anger was usually intensified before breaking up the relationship. He must have been very rude, especially in his affect, just like her too. Connection with the family was sometimes very loose, sometimes stronger. He was deprived in his childhood, the biggest problem was terrible attitude towards him as a child and a thing if it is true, which is hunger and not having anything to eat. But for a certain target group in public, some things are exaggerated to make it seem more interesting, so that the masses can better identify with it and sales are better in the end. Marketing psychology. I'm speaking now in general.
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Post by traci on Sept 5, 2024 6:42:13 GMT -5
i mean, believe what you want to believe, but if someone bought those online and faked them, that would be pretty shitty. Hallies last podcast sort of answered your question on the sensitive songsāif they were fake, I donāt think she would comment on it at all and/or call them out. Iām not saying PR doesnāt exist, Iām well aware of PR etc., But not everything is conspiracy theory either. I really want to believe him but a part of me just can't..as much as i love him, i don't trust his word,after all he was called a liar by many. About those songs, like you said,i don't think they're fake,or at least hope not but what Kim said in that interview about them made me think..after all i don't think liars change (if i were to take her word). Again i don't want to start anything, to me this is just weird and confusing. Also what does PR mean? PR = public relations. This is not your first post questioning if the relationship is real, so why do you feel that way? You post about it, but you never actually say why except for things youāve read, so just wondering. Youāre also taking an interview from 2006/2007, and like Tcat said, they were breaking up, and he wasnāt sober then, and he might not have had a close relationship at that time. But I donāt feel it's the same now + we all have our own versions of the truth, right, so it doesnāt necessarily mean someoneās right or wrong; thatās just how they felt about it.
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Post by thepanpotato on Sept 5, 2024 7:25:49 GMT -5
I really want to believe him but a part of me just can't..as much as i love him, i don't trust his word,after all he was called a liar by many. About those songs, like you said,i don't think they're fake,or at least hope not but what Kim said in that interview about them made me think..after all i don't think liars change (if i were to take her word). Again i don't want to start anything, to me this is just weird and confusing. Also what does PR mean? PR = public relations. This is not your first post questioning if the relationship is real, so why do you feel that way? You post about it, but you never actually say why except for things youāve read, so just wondering. Youāre also taking an interview from 2006/2007, and like Tcat said, they were breaking up, and he wasnāt sober then, and he might not have had a close relationship at that time. But I donāt feel it's the same now + we all have our own versions of the truth, right, so it doesnāt necessarily mean someoneās right or wrong; thatās just how they felt about it. I don't really know why exactly i question it, maybe because i myself have trust issues and it's hard for me to believe someone or think they're genuine. Another reason why i am like this might be bc i'm a huge overthinker and it makes me sad when i think about that, it always breaks my heart when i hear that the children hate their parents or smth and i don't want to think that's the case with someone i personally love, if that makes sense. I always refer to what i read bc that stuff was written by ppl who maybe were actually there, who know better than i do and i have a little more faith in them rather than something else.. It's true that interview is old but at the same time, i was told many times that ppl never change , so how high are the chances he actually did? But i agree with the fact that each of us have our own version of "the truth".
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Post by thepanpotato on Sept 5, 2024 7:36:38 GMT -5
I recently stumbled upon an old interview of Kim from 2006/2007 where she talked about her relationship with Em , the kids, etc but some things stood up for me and made me wonder: She said that he constantly lies and that his "sensitive songs" (like Mockingbird and When I'm Gone) are basically a bunch of bs,which made me question all the other things he had said over the years, including recent years, like is he really sober or has he really "matured" and changed or was his childhood really that terrible... What do you think? Again, i apologise if this sounds stupid, i don't try to stir any drama or to cause any controversy or whatever..these are my genuine thoughts.. Interesting observation. You don't sound stupid at all, don't apologize for your observations, they are not mathematically exact and everyone can see and assume differently if they don't have a real true picture in front of them, or confirmation from someone. That's Kim, no one sees her as relevant. I don't believe that he would have given himself a certificate of sobriety, even though that path was not always clear of alcohol, it goes step by step, the same with drugs. His sensitivity is focused on the closest circle around him, family & friends. He has something unempathetic and sensitive at the same time, he acts like that. He is very malleable too. Donations are first of all something that is customary in society, I don't think that he is not benevolent, but it fits in with the mass of celebrities, so it should not be considered. Kim was probably referring to his rude speech towards her and the denial of funds to the extent that she demanded them. But let's not forget that he was advised in monetary expenditures according to Kim, ( i don't go into how rightly or wrong ) and charity. They ātreated each otherā with behavior and vocabulary. That anger was usually intensified before breaking up the relationship. He must have been very rude, especially in his affect, just like her too. Connection with the family was sometimes very loose, sometimes stronger. He was deprived in his childhood, the biggest problem was terrible attitude towards him as a child and a thing if it is true, which is hunger and not having anything to eat. But for a certain target group in public, some things are exaggerated to make it seem more interesting, so that the masses can better identify with it and sales are better in the end. Marketing psychology. I'm speaking now in general. To me Kim is very relevant, after all she was his wife, and i agree with a lot of what you said but i have a question from what you said: when did Kim say that he gets advise with his money and charity? He's not allowed to spend his money? Speaking of charity, why that should not be considered?
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Post by traci on Sept 5, 2024 8:49:07 GMT -5
PR = public relations. This is not your first post questioning if the relationship is real, so why do you feel that way? You post about it, but you never actually say why except for things youāve read, so just wondering. Youāre also taking an interview from 2006/2007, and like Tcat said, they were breaking up, and he wasnāt sober then, and he might not have had a close relationship at that time. But I donāt feel it's the same now + we all have our own versions of the truth, right, so it doesnāt necessarily mean someoneās right or wrong; thatās just how they felt about it. I don't really know why exactly i question it, maybe because i myself have trust issues and it's hard for me to believe someone or think they're genuine. Another reason why i am like this might be bc i'm a huge overthinker and it makes me sad when i think about that, it always breaks my heart when i hear that the children hate their parents or smth and i don't want to think that's the case with someone i personally love, if that makes sense. I always refer to what i read bc that stuff was written by ppl who maybe were actually there, who know better than i do and i have a little more faith in them rather than something else.. It's true that interview is old but at the same time, i was told many times that ppl never change , so how high are the chances he actually did? But i agree with the fact that each of us have our own version of "the truth". There is for sure fabrication, only showing your best self, game playing in that world, and he isnāt excluded from that. The difference for me - he also doesnāt want that world for celebrity reasons, so personally, I just donāt see why he would do it as much. I think you can fake/cover up a lot of things, but Iāve never once heard anyone say he didnāt love those kids. As for Kim - i'm sure we've all witness a messy divorce with family/friends/self because divorce is messy and because famous that doesn't change that and if anything makes it worse.
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Post by space on Sept 5, 2024 9:08:27 GMT -5
Interesting observation. You don't sound stupid at all, don't apologize for your observations, they are not mathematically exact and everyone can see and assume differently if they don't have a real true picture in front of them, or confirmation from someone. That's Kim, no one sees her as relevant. I don't believe that he would have given himself a certificate of sobriety, even though that path was not always clear of alcohol, it goes step by step, the same with drugs. His sensitivity is focused on the closest circle around him, family & friends. He has something unempathetic and sensitive at the same time, he acts like that. He is very malleable too. Donations are first of all something that is customary in society, I don't think that he is not benevolent, but it fits in with the mass of celebrities, so it should not be considered. Kim was probably referring to his rude speech towards her and the denial of funds to the extent that she demanded them. But let's not forget that he was advised in monetary expenditures according to Kim, ( i don't go into how rightly or wrong ) and charity. They ātreated each otherā with behavior and vocabulary. That anger was usually intensified before breaking up the relationship. He must have been very rude, especially in his affect, just like her too. Connection with the family was sometimes very loose, sometimes stronger. He was deprived in his childhood, the biggest problem was terrible attitude towards him as a child and a thing if it is true, which is hunger and not having anything to eat. But for a certain target group in public, some things are exaggerated to make it seem more interesting, so that the masses can better identify with it and sales are better in the end. Marketing psychology. I'm speaking now in general. To me Kim is very relevant, after all she was his wife, and i agree with a lot of what you said but i have a question from what you said: when did Kim say that he gets advise with his money and charity? He's not allowed to spend his money? Speaking of charity, why that should not be considered? Sorry wrote it wrong ( I'm typing fast ), towards is right word, he was advised how to settle financially with Kim. A lot of rich people have financial advisers. Charity is something that literally almost all stars show business, do. He donates a lot, but he's not the only one and it's nothing new. It's like a tacit obligation to community and needyones. By that standard, everyone is good, although he's really good for the community.
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Post by slm0607 on Sept 5, 2024 18:56:11 GMT -5
PR = public relations. This is not your first post questioning if the relationship is real, so why do you feel that way? You post about it, but you never actually say why except for things youāve read, so just wondering. Youāre also taking an interview from 2006/2007, and like Tcat said, they were breaking up, and he wasnāt sober then, and he might not have had a close relationship at that time. But I donāt feel it's the same now + we all have our own versions of the truth, right, so it doesnāt necessarily mean someoneās right or wrong; thatās just how they felt about it. I don't really know why exactly i question it, maybe because i myself have trust issues and it's hard for me to believe someone or think they're genuine. Another reason why i am like this might be bc i'm a huge overthinker and it makes me sad when i think about that, it always breaks my heart when i hear that the children hate their parents or smth and i don't want to think that's the case with someone i personally love, if that makes sense. I always refer to what i read bc that stuff was written by ppl who maybe were actually there, who know better than i do and i have a little more faith in them rather than something else.. It's true that interview is old but at the same time, i was told many times that ppl never change , so how high are the chances he actually did? But i agree with the fact that each of us have our own version of "the truth". Debbie was 15 years old when she had him and then they were abandoned shortly after. So itās not a stretch to believe that a person that young who had some of the personality traits Iāve heard about Debbie (ex: saying she wished it was him when his cousin died) and who was also super young, didnāt provide the best childhood. My mom was born into similar circumstances and went through similar things. Iām not saying every 15 year old single mom isnāt a good one. But thatās extremely young and it makes things harder. Itās just not hard for me to believe he had it pretty rough. Now do I believe everything is true? Do I think for example she fed him pills in his high chair like he mentions in the one song? No. But it probably fit for the song.
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Post by tcat on Sept 5, 2024 19:33:27 GMT -5
i mean, believe what you want to believe, but if someone bought those online and faked them, that would be pretty shitty. Hallies last podcast sort of answered your question on the sensitive songsāif they were fake, I donāt think she would comment on it at all and/or call them out. Iām not saying PR doesnāt exist, Iām well aware of PR etc., But not everything is conspiracy theory either. I really want to believe him but a part of me just can't..as much as i love him, i don't trust his word,after all he was called a liar by many. About those songs, like you said,i don't think they're fake,or at least hope not but what Kim said in that interview about them made me think..after all i don't think liars change (if i were to take her word). Again i don't want to start anything, to me this is just weird and confusing. Also what does PR mean? Who called him a liar and what exactly did he lie about?
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Post by thepanpotato on Sept 5, 2024 19:37:13 GMT -5
I don't really know why exactly i question it, maybe because i myself have trust issues and it's hard for me to believe someone or think they're genuine. Another reason why i am like this might be bc i'm a huge overthinker and it makes me sad when i think about that, it always breaks my heart when i hear that the children hate their parents or smth and i don't want to think that's the case with someone i personally love, if that makes sense. I always refer to what i read bc that stuff was written by ppl who maybe were actually there, who know better than i do and i have a little more faith in them rather than something else.. It's true that interview is old but at the same time, i was told many times that ppl never change , so how high are the chances he actually did? But i agree with the fact that each of us have our own version of "the truth". Debbie was 15 years old when she had him and then they were abandoned shortly after. So itās not a stretch to believe that a person that young who had some of the personality traits Iāve heard about Debbie (ex: saying she wished it was him when his cousin died) and who was also super young, didnāt provide the best childhood. My mom was born into similar circumstances and went through similar things. Iām not saying every 15 year old single mom isnāt a good one. But thatās extremely young and it makes things harder. Itās just not hard for me to believe he had it pretty rough. Now do I believe everything is true? Do I think for example she fed him pills in his high chair like he mentions in the one song? No. But it probably fit for the song. Of course i don't believe every little thing he said but i used to think that the core theme/event of the song is true, like that he was poor, moving around, being picked on and so on and , not to sound judgy, imo Kim and his mom were not exactly the "loving and supporting" type, which may have made things harder for him(just my opinion). But with what i struggle now to understand is if he's really that genuine (with or without exaggerations,as i said i used to think a majority of what he said is true and that was his way of expressing his emotions) or everything he said is a lie/fabrication (including current stuff).
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Post by thepanpotato on Sept 5, 2024 19:44:30 GMT -5
I really want to believe him but a part of me just can't..as much as i love him, i don't trust his word,after all he was called a liar by many. About those songs, like you said,i don't think they're fake,or at least hope not but what Kim said in that interview about them made me think..after all i don't think liars change (if i were to take her word). Again i don't want to start anything, to me this is just weird and confusing. Also what does PR mean? Who called him a liar and what exactly did he lie about? There are many persons, especially on the internet, but i used to brush it off at the time, but after seeing his wife, mom, exbodyguard (altho i don't really believe him) say that there are a lot of fabrications in his music, kinda made me question Em's authenticity. I've seen a guy on YT claiming he grew up with Em and that most things he said aren't true. The most i've seen is that he lied about his childhood,that he didn't really suffer and that his mom/wife were actually nice and ,more recently, that he ain't really sober and that the "apology" songs for his mom/Kim were fake (like he didn't actually change at all and is still that horrible and vile person)
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Post by traci on Sept 5, 2024 20:24:45 GMT -5
So how many football games do you think heāll attend this year? Person closest to the correct answer winsā¦ nothing š
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Post by alphagirl01 on Sept 5, 2024 20:25:10 GMT -5
Em has said that he exaggerates and stretches personal experience in his writing. But I really don't think his love for his girls is contrived. Just my feeling after following him for all these years. I saw that his makeup artist liked one of Alaina's posts of her recent vacation, and left a cute comment. If Em and his kids werent close and it was all a fabrication, why would the woman who does his makeup know Alaina? Just my thoughts though, who knows. They are so private (rightfully so) so we wont know anything unless they decide to tell us š¤·āāļø being an Em fan is hard lol jks Katrina has been his makeup artist for years and actually did him and Kim's makeup for their second wedding, so it is not odd that she would know the girls. Based on the fact Hailie met Brittany Murphy (based on the photos of them celebrating her birthday) and that Hailie met Mariah, he likely let certain people meet his kids back in the day.
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