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Post by alphagirl01 on Sept 8, 2022 22:43:59 GMT -5
I know people said the bathroom thing was a gag, but it just seemed off to me. Did that seem normal to you the way they ended the podcast? Marshall was like "Uhm yeah, I need to go to the bathroom." And boom it was over. So weird, not funny at all in my opinion. Maybe I'm annoyed because I actually sat there and waited thinking he was coming back. It was a coulee songs later when I figured it out.   The video I watched stopped right after he said he had to go to the bathroom. I didn't listen to it live. Yeah, that's what I mean. It just stopped after that! Nothing else. |
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Post by stefanie on Sept 9, 2022 1:25:34 GMT -5
I don't know how he's even alive after taking 70-80 Valium a night. This was a long, long time ago so don't judge me too harshly...I used benzos recreationally in college a few times. Once, I didn't know that what is called a Xanax "bar" is 3 doses. So I took two bars, thinking it was 2 doses when it was actually 6. I hallucinated for two days and was nearly (probably should have been) hospitalized. This was an equivalent to 6 mgs...and Em took EIGHTY? REGULARLY? I can't imagine. Plus benzo withdrawal alone can kill you. He must have been on crazy medication to come down. I listened to the Podcast but I didn't listen close enough to the numbers. I would say it was meant per day and even that is a lot. Here is what numbers he mentioned in the Rolling Stone Interview: I want to say in a day I could consume anywhere from 40 to 60 Valium. And Vicodin… maybe 20, 30? I don’t know. I was taking a lot of shit.
My everyday regimen would be, wake up in the morning and take an extra-strength Vicodin. I could never take more than one and a half, because it tore up my stomach lining. So I’d take the one and a half, and it’d kind of be Vicodin throughout the day. Then, as the evening crept up, around 5:00 or 6:00, I’d start with a Valium or two, or three, or four. And every hour on the hour, I’d pop four or five more. The Ambien would put me over the top to go to sleep.
Toward the end, I don’t think the shit ever put me to sleep for more than two hours. |
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Post by matty on Sept 9, 2022 1:54:05 GMT -5
Paul and Em not getting why ppl love relapse and thinking his word play is where is constantly needs to take it is why he career is gonna continue to take a nose dive and become irrelevant/generic as his buddy Royce. Accents>word play at this point.
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Post by annie18 on Sept 9, 2022 10:58:07 GMT -5
so finally I was able to listen to the interview (busy week at work) I really liked it, there were stuff than I didn't know and he seemed relaxed while doing it.
Paul was annoying at times, I have the feeling that he gives himself a lot of credit for things Em does, like somebody stated already WE did this, WE thought,...
Why he hates Relapse so much? and I don't think because it reminds him of his dark period, he said he was happy recording it, it's like he's ashamed of it, and Relapse is
definitely a gem for most of his fanbase, I like more songs from Relapse than the ones in Recovery .
He's still salty for Revival lol , and I get it, he put himself out there and his work was trashed by everyone, Walk on water, Arouse and Castle are my favourite songs but I
understand why some fans think the production and beat selection were a bit off.
I'm looking forward to the next pod, I'm interested in his state of mind before revival years and I hope he mentions why he took some time from MMLP 2 to make Revival.
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Post by matty on Sept 9, 2022 15:51:50 GMT -5
I feel like Paul and everyone surrounding Em is very good at making him second guess himself or say things that make him feel like he needs them and then give a compliment to build him up and then do it again
Like saying “after fixing the mistakes from before” after referencing recovery aka saying relapse was a mistake (aka I wasn’t very involved but I was with revival soooo seeeee?!?). Or saying stuff like I told you to put drums in Walk on Water but you didn’t…IT WAS STILL GOOD THO!!”
And when Em kept saying Rihanna and Beyoncé were so big and Paul was like REMEMBER WHEN RIHANNA DIDNT WANT TO DO MONSTER?!? He should have said “Em you are the biggest rapper in the world! Of course they want to work with you.” It’s like they play mind games and I feel like Em tries to stick up for himself by reminding Paul about Rick Rubin saying Paul was wrong for letting up the gas or or being wrong about without me and not afraid. It’s like he is surrounded by mean girls and he’s always trying to not get bullied while still trying to defend himself. Royce and Denaun were ALWAYS putting him down around revival. Even in a joking manner it’s not cool especially with all the revival hate. It’s mean girl shit. It’s a psychology tactic to make U feel like u need these ppl
Idk tho cuz if it’s Paul’s mission for fans to start being annoyed with em and the camp in general he’s certainly doing a great job. You know when u have a crush on a dude for years and then all of a sudden you just look at them differently bc of soemthing they did or someone they associate with and your like why was I so memorized?!??
That’s kind of like where I’m with Em now. Lately when I see a notification from Em all I see is nft scams, friends that are scammers and just nasty affiliations. The magic of Em is kind of gone and replaced by me thinking he is Royce and Denaun in disguised and just picture a whiney over grown baby. He might not be but it’s like the Little Albert effect. You associate something bad with something not bad for so long that the not bad thing will start appearing bad to you.
I hate to say this but I really think he really isn’t gonna be huge again. The label and his associations really destroyed the chance. The mystique and realness and authenticity is just gone. I just feel sorry for him now. Like damn dude.
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Post by vickvaporub on Sept 9, 2022 15:54:06 GMT -5
What does this mean? A replay? 🤔
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Post by vickvaporub on Sept 9, 2022 16:06:18 GMT -5
I feel like Paul and everyone surrounding Em is very good at making him second guess himself or say things that make him feel like he needs them and then give a compliment to build him up and then do it again Like saying “after fixing the mistakes from before” after referencing recovery aka saying relapse was a mistake (aka I wasn’t very involved but I was with revival soooo seeeee?!?). Or saying stuff like I told you to put drums in Walk on Water but you didn’t…IT WAS STILL GOOD THO!!” And when Em kept saying Rihanna and Beyoncé were so big and Paul was like REMEMBER WHEN RIHANNA DIDNT WANT TO DO MONSTER?!? He should have said “Em you are the biggest rapper in the world! Of course they want to work with you.” It’s like they play mind games and I feel like Em tries to stick up for himself by reminding Paul about Rick Rubin saying Paul was wrong for letting up the gas or or being wrong about without me and not afraid. It’s like he is surrounded by mean girls and he’s always trying to not get bullied while still trying to defend himself. Royce and Denaun were ALWAYS putting him down around revival. Even in a joking manner it’s not cool especially with all the revival hate. It’s mean girl shit. It’s a psychology tactic to make U feel like u need these ppl Idk tho cuz if it’s Paul’s mission for fans to start being annoyed with em and the camp in general he’s certainly doing a great job. You know when u have a crush on a dude for years and then all of a sudden you just look at them differently bc of soemthing they did or someone they associate with and your like why was I so memorized?!?? That’s kind of like where I’m with Em now. Lately when I see a notification from Em all I see is nft scams, friends that are scammers and just nasty affiliations. The magic of Em is kind of gone and replaced by me thinking he is Royce and Denaun in disguised and just picture a whiney over grown baby. He might not be but it’s like the Little Albert effect. You associate something bad with something not bad for so long that the not bad thing will start appearing bad to you. I hate to say this but I really think he really isn’t gonna be huge again. The label and his associations really destroyed the chance. The mystique and realness and authenticity is just gone. I just feel sorry for him now. Like damn dude. It does feel like something it's not 100% ok, I understand he wants to be humble but sometimes I wonder if he is joking or if he is serious when he says something like that, when there're a bunch of other artists that want to collab with him but he seems impossible to reach and unapproachable. Is his team gaslighting him that much that he really believes someone would not want to work with him? When he is the one no one can reach directly? |
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Post by matty on Sept 9, 2022 16:19:25 GMT -5
vickvaporubThey want who they want around him. That’s why Paul wanted to interview all the minions. They are all just doing what they want with Ems career They like yes men (yes men to Paul) because they help gas light Em. That’s why Paul likes Royce. Listen to all the sucking up Royce does to him during his episode even after all the shit talking he did about him on Instagramlive: dude was sucking him off sooo bad yet doesn’t give a fuck about sucking up to Em. His compliments to Em always come off as pity compliments. Like what kind of artist has a fucking director in “their camp?” Whose brother is big into NFTs? ITS WEIRD!! Dude just needs to do his job and stfu. It’s like Paul is trying to make himself and his toxic team famous and it’s WEIRD. A manager shouldn’t want to be famous. Idk Ems career is kind of over. I wouldn’t be surprised if he does Vegas soon (dead serious -usher does) while they do fan meet and greets or Royce gets pay outs from fans to have Em meet him. Listen to that ll cool j interview with em. Ll did not like Paul and was pissed when he interrupted and I think he was upset when he couldn’t get access to Em after proof ETA: also Em was trying to open up about his over dose and was talking about still detoxing while working and Paul gave no fuck or wanted to change the subject real quick. Like WELL IT WAS FOR ONLY LIKE 6 MONTHS!! And it seems like Em wanted to open more and paul just changed the subject. Why??
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Post by sparrow on Sept 9, 2022 19:56:29 GMT -5
vickvaporubThey want who they want around him. That’s why Paul wanted to interview all the minions. They are all just doing what they want with Ems career They like yes men (yes men to Paul) because they help gas light Em. That’s why Paul likes Royce. Listen to all the sucking up Royce does to him during his episode even after all the shit talking he did about him on Instagramlive: dude was sucking him off sooo bad yet doesn’t give a fuck about sucking up to Em. His compliments to Em always come off as pity compliments. Like what kind of artist has a fucking director in “their camp?” Whose brother is big into NFTs? ITS WEIRD!! Dude just needs to do his job and stfu. It’s like Paul is trying to make himself and his toxic team famous and it’s WEIRD. A manager shouldn’t want to be famous. Idk Ems career is kind of over. I wouldn’t be surprised if he does Vegas soon (dead serious -usher does) while they do fan meet and greets or Royce gets pay outs from fans to have Em meet him. Listen to that ll cool j interview with em. Ll did not like Paul and was pissed when he interrupted and I think he was upset when he couldn’t get access to Em after proof ETA: also Em was trying to open up about his over dose and was talking about still detoxing while working and Paul gave no fuck or wanted to change the subject real quick. Like WELL IT WAS FOR ONLY LIKE 6 MONTHS!! And it seems like Em wanted to open more and paul just changed the subject. Why?? From everything I've seen and read, anyone who interviews Em has to go through an in-depth pre-interview with the team, are given topics they are allowed to ask about, are often fed questions by Paul, and have to submit what Qs they plan to ask in advance...and as usual it's not abnormal by itself but way more intense than with other celebs. I went down a rabbit hole with this after that weird Australia radio interview where Paul cut Em off mid-sentence and later made the show hosts edit out the recording of them speculating why Em had to go so suddenly. Anyway. My opinion is that Em is not as private as he is made out to be, at least not about his willingness to talk about his addiction, creative process, feelings about past albums. Paul OTOH is extremely concerned about his (Paul's) image and Em's brand and how he is perceived. Hence all the we this we that, and how hard he worked to steer that conversation. Like when Em would start to talk about something and Paul was like "We'll get there" and talked about what he had already decided they were going talk about in the order he wanted to talk about it. Or when Em started to freestyle a little bit and rhyme random stuff, Paul acted annoyed by it and redirected him. Tbh I was pissed off. I always qualify things with "He's not as bad as Jamie Spears" but Jamie set the bar at bugging houses and phones and sending ppl to mental hospitals. Maybe Paul is not a slave driver, but that leaves a lot of room to be a controlling asshole. I was pissed Em didn't get to talk about his addiction/recovery more. Being open and honest, and helping other people with your story, are literally steps in the 12-step program he follows. So maybe people will jump on me for being a paranoid, nutty, perpetually unsatisfied fan, but whatever...I will go as far as to say Paul doesn't respect Em's program. Does he want him sober, yes, but he doesn't want his recovery cramping his style in any way. He made that damn clear with the brain damage thing and pretty much everything he said about recording Relapse. |
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Post by tcat on Sept 9, 2022 20:33:21 GMT -5
vickvaporub They want who they want around him. That’s why Paul wanted to interview all the minions. They are all just doing what they want with Ems career They like yes men (yes men to Paul) because they help gas light Em. That’s why Paul likes Royce. Listen to all the sucking up Royce does to him during his episode even after all the shit talking he did about him on Instagramlive: dude was sucking him off sooo bad yet doesn’t give a fuck about sucking up to Em. His compliments to Em always come off as pity compliments. Like what kind of artist has a fucking director in “their camp?” Whose brother is big into NFTs? ITS WEIRD!! Dude just needs to do his job and stfu. It’s like Paul is trying to make himself and his toxic team famous and it’s WEIRD. A manager shouldn’t want to be famous. Idk Ems career is kind of over. I wouldn’t be surprised if he does Vegas soon (dead serious -usher does) while they do fan meet and greets or Royce gets pay outs from fans to have Em meet him. Listen to that ll cool j interview with em. Ll did not like Paul and was pissed when he interrupted and I think he was upset when he couldn’t get access to Em after proof ETA: also Em was trying to open up about his over dose and was talking about still detoxing while working and Paul gave no fuck or wanted to change the subject real quick. Like WELL IT WAS FOR ONLY LIKE 6 MONTHS!! And it seems like Em wanted to open more and paul just changed the subject. Why?? From everything I've seen and read, anyone who interviews Em has to go through an in-depth pre-interview with the team, are given topics they are allowed to ask about, are often fed questions by Paul, and have to submit what Qs they plan to ask in advance...and as usual it's not abnormal by itself but way more intense than with other celebs. I went down a rabbit hole with this after that weird Australia radio interview where Paul cut Em off mid-sentence and later made the show hosts edit out the recording of them speculating why Em had to go so suddenly. Anyway. My opinion is that Em is not as private as he is made out to be, at least not about his willingness to talk about his addiction, creative process, feelings about past albums. Paul OTOH is extremely concerned about his (Paul's) image and Em's brand and how he is perceived. Hence all the we this we that, and how hard he worked to steer that conversation. Like when Em would start to talk about something and Paul was like "We'll get there" and talked about what he had already decided they were going talk about in the order he wanted to talk about it. Or when Em started to freestyle a little bit and rhyme random stuff, Paul acted annoyed by it and redirected him. Tbh I was pissed off. I always qualify things with "He's not as bad as Jamie Spears" but Jamie set the bar at bugging houses and phones and sending ppl to mental hospitals. Maybe Paul is not a slave driver, but that leaves a lot of room to be a controlling asshole. I was pissed Em didn't get to talk about his addiction/recovery more. Being open and honest, and helping other people with your story, are literally steps in the 12-step program he follows. So maybe people will jump on me for being a paranoid, nutty, perpetually unsatisfied fan, but whatever...I will go as far as to say Paul doesn't respect Em's program. Does he want him sober, yes, but he doesn't want his recovery cramping his style in any way. He made that damn clear with the brain damage thing and pretty much everything he said about recording Relapse. I remember when Em did the 60 Minutes interview with Anderson Cooper, Anderson said that it was "weird" working with his team and they had really tight control over the interview. I need to go back and watch that interview again. I do remember Em asking someone off camera questions while being interviewed. |
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Post by matty on Sept 9, 2022 20:34:24 GMT -5
sparrow the amount of fans that have attacked me and called me crazy on Twitter and here for having similar thoughts is ridiculous so don’t worry u aren’t alone hell I got a fight with crook cuz he was defending snoop and I was like Em is hurt and Stan’s attacked saying he wasn’t and then a few months later Em released Zeus 🤷♀️ Ppl like to say Em likes his bubble but I don’t think he does but his team is good at convincing him it’s good for him I’m so crazy that I think Paul told boogie to tell the bicycle story so Em stopped running around by himself/scare him Notice how Em mentioned SH and Paul skipped right over it but wanted to remind everyone that BME WAS SOOOO SUCCESFULL SO SIGNING SH WAS A GOOD THING! he’s a lawyer -with selective memory He doesn’t want to discuss anything negative that he brought into Ems life because then he would be wrong or made a mistake. I think it will be interesting to see how Paul and Em discuss revival especially since half the backlash was because Joe wanted to use Em to launch his career and get off shady records: doubt Paul will bring that up
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Post by matty on Sept 9, 2022 20:38:51 GMT -5
Also did anyone else know that Paul sounded a little tense when he said Em talked to Rihanna alone and asked what they talked about and Em kind of changed the topic
Maybe daddy Paul doesn’t like Em having convos without being involved 🤷♀️
ETA: also remember the Oscar’s? When he did that interview after performing and they cut him off there as well?
Idk his whole team is sketch
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Post by traci on Sept 9, 2022 21:46:24 GMT -5
Not disagreeing with anyone at all- i enjoy reading everyone's opinions Etc. Just Devils Advocating here.
I do think his team can be weird, I do think it was odd he thought Beyoncé was out of his league Etc., but do you think maybe it could also be for protective reasons? There's mental health issues, add in the drug abuse, and the damage that causes Etc., Maybe preventing something from being said both good and/or bad? Like with Britney, she truly had nobody; her kids were small; her immediate family was involved, no friends. Em's kids/brother are older now and they might be removed from that part of his world, but would hopefully notice if something was off/controlling?
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Post by sparrow on Sept 9, 2022 22:01:26 GMT -5
Also did anyone else know that Paul sounded a little tense when he said Em talked to Rihanna alone and asked what they talked about and Em kind of changed the topic Maybe daddy Paul doesn’t like Em having convos without being involved 🤷♀️ ETA: also remember the Oscar’s? When he did that interview after performing and they cut him off there as well? Idk his whole team is sketch 100% he doesn't want Em talking to people on his own, especially not a powerful woman, especially someone as beautiful as Rihanna who could be a distraction from Paul's agenda. I like LL and 50 bc they seem to accept Paul as a necessary evil but they dont take him that seriously or respect him that much. Whereas others suck Paul's dick bc he's Em's gatekeeper and a person in a high place who could further their career (provided they don't epically self-sabotage like certain groups whose initials are SH). Again, not that different from Jamie Spears "I am Britney fucking Spears" keeping her isolated so she'd focus on earning money for him. Not to beat a dead horse, but I think Em was trying to say, maybe without even realizing it, is making Relapse he was finally just playing and having fun. So thanks a lot Paul for assuming he had irreparable brain damage, I'm SURE it was out of pure concern. |
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Post by matty on Sept 9, 2022 22:29:14 GMT -5
Not disagreeing with anyone at all- i enjoy reading everyone's opinions Etc. Just Devils Advocating here. I do think his team can be weird, I do think it was odd he thought Beyoncé was out of his league Etc., but do you think maybe it could also be for protective reasons? There's mental health issues, add in the drug abuse, and the damage that causes Etc., Maybe preventing something from being said both good and/or bad? Like with Britney, she truly had nobody; her kids were small; her immediate family was involved, no friends. Em's kids/brother are older now and they might be removed from that part of his world, but would hopefully notice if something was off/controlling? Em came into the game with virtually no one besides proof and he didn’t even come till later. The industry preys on ppl like that. No parents and no other really close friends I think he hangs out with Nate but idk his family dynamic is weird. I also hope hailie how that she is older is stepping in more and being there for him same with Alaina who seems like a sweetheart but anyway Everyone knows I think Em struggles with soemthing mentally but mental health issues does not mean you convince them to be in bubble. You help them with coping skills and lift them up. His team seem to do the opposite and lift him down THATS the problem. Similar to Britney. I wouldn’t be surprised if she was technically bipolar but instead of helping her with it and being a support they took advantage and THATS the issue Ems team puts him down SO much. Revival I’m surpised he didn’t shoot himself in the head. Britney’s team kept telling her YOU NEED US!! WE ARE SAVING U! Ems team gives me very similar vibes in the way both Denaun and Royce talk about Em and this interview Em and Paul just did. Maybe less legal shit but psychologically it’s off |
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