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Post by matty on Sept 9, 2022 22:33:33 GMT -5
Also did anyone else know that Paul sounded a little tense when he said Em talked to Rihanna alone and asked what they talked about and Em kind of changed the topic Maybe daddy Paul doesn’t like Em having convos without being involved 🤷♀️ ETA: also remember the Oscar’s? When he did that interview after performing and they cut him off there as well? Idk his whole team is sketch 100% he doesn't want Em talking to people on his own, especially not a powerful woman, especially someone as beautiful as Rihanna who could be a distraction from Paul's agenda. I like LL and 50 bc they seem to accept Paul as a necessary evil but they dont take him that seriously or respect him that much. Whereas others suck Paul's dick bc he's Em's gatekeeper and a person in a high place who could further their career (provided they don't epically self-sabotage like certain groups whose initials are SH). Again, not that different from Jamie Spears "I am Britney fucking Spears" keeping her isolated so she'd focus on earning money for him. Not to beat a dead horse, but I think Em was trying to say, maybe without even realizing it, is making Relapse he was finally just playing and having fun. So thanks a lot Paul for assuming he had irreparable brain damage, I'm SURE it was out of pure concern. Paul was wishing for it so he could get the paper work rolling. Remind you this when Britney was getting into a conservativship and that Lou Taylor chick was running around that time look for “fucked up”celebs to trap 🤷♀️ One of them was Kanye and Lindsay Lohan for instant |
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Post by matty on Sept 9, 2022 22:38:20 GMT -5
traciAlso sorry I just reread my post and want to make it clear I wasn’t trying to be aggressive. Sorry if it came off that way I’m just saying I’ve thought the same thing for a while (that’s why I defended Paul for a while) but after seeing how ppl move around him and listening to these podcasts and seeing how Em does want to open sometimes it seems like his team like things a certain way especially with all the other factors we were discussing early You also don’t worry about making a project when ur client is scratching himself to death and still detoxing and not giving a fuck and then shove a bunch of ppl in his face to make recovery when it’s clear he has issues with new ppl and use him for favors for ur shitty label for the next ten years if you were really concerned about his mental health
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Post by traci on Sept 9, 2022 22:53:51 GMT -5
traciAlso sorry I just reread my post and want to make it clear I wasn’t trying to be aggressive. Sorry if it came off that way I’m just saying I’ve thought the same thing for a while (that’s why I defended Paul for a while) but after seeing how ppl move around him and listening to these podcasts and seeing how Em does want to open sometimes it seems like his team like things a certain way especially with all the other factors we were discussing early You also don’t worry about making a project when ur client is scratching himself to death and still detoxing and not giving a fuck and then shove a bunch of ppl in his face to make recovery when it’s clear he has issues with new ppl and use him for favors for ur shitty label for the next ten years if you were really concerned about his mental health Zero worries. Did not come across aggressive at all 🙂 |
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Post by alphagirl01 on Sept 9, 2022 23:56:02 GMT -5
vickvaporub They want who they want around him. That’s why Paul wanted to interview all the minions. They are all just doing what they want with Ems career They like yes men (yes men to Paul) because they help gas light Em. That’s why Paul likes Royce. Listen to all the sucking up Royce does to him during his episode even after all the shit talking he did about him on Instagramlive: dude was sucking him off sooo bad yet doesn’t give a fuck about sucking up to Em. His compliments to Em always come off as pity compliments. Like what kind of artist has a fucking director in “their camp?” Whose brother is big into NFTs? ITS WEIRD!! Dude just needs to do his job and stfu. It’s like Paul is trying to make himself and his toxic team famous and it’s WEIRD. A manager shouldn’t want to be famous. Idk Ems career is kind of over. I wouldn’t be surprised if he does Vegas soon (dead serious -usher does) while they do fan meet and greets or Royce gets pay outs from fans to have Em meet him. Listen to that ll cool j interview with em. Ll did not like Paul and was pissed when he interrupted and I think he was upset when he couldn’t get access to Em after proof ETA: also Em was trying to open up about his over dose and was talking about still detoxing while working and Paul gave no fuck or wanted to change the subject real quick. Like WELL IT WAS FOR ONLY LIKE 6 MONTHS!! And it seems like Em wanted to open more and paul just changed the subject. Why?? From everything I've seen and read, anyone who interviews Em has to go through an in-depth pre-interview with the team, are given topics they are allowed to ask about, are often fed questions by Paul, and have to submit what Qs they plan to ask in advance...and as usual it's not abnormal by itself but way more intense than with other celebs. I went down a rabbit hole with this after that weird Australia radio interview where Paul cut Em off mid-sentence and later made the show hosts edit out the recording of them speculating why Em had to go so suddenly. Anyway. My opinion is that Em is not as private as he is made out to be, at least not about his willingness to talk about his addiction, creative process, feelings about past albums. Paul OTOH is extremely concerned about his (Paul's) image and Em's brand and how he is perceived. Hence all the we this we that, and how hard he worked to steer that conversation. Like when Em would start to talk about something and Paul was like "We'll get there" and talked about what he had already decided they were going talk about in the order he wanted to talk about it. Or when Em started to freestyle a little bit and rhyme random stuff, Paul acted annoyed by it and redirected him. Tbh I was pissed off. I always qualify things with "He's not as bad as Jamie Spears" but Jamie set the bar at bugging houses and phones and sending ppl to mental hospitals. Maybe Paul is not a slave driver, but that leaves a lot of room to be a controlling asshole. I was pissed Em didn't get to talk about his addiction/recovery more. Being open and honest, and helping other people with your story, are literally steps in the 12-step program he follows. So maybe people will jump on me for being a paranoid, nutty, perpetually unsatisfied fan, but whatever...I will go as far as to say Paul doesn't respect Em's program. Does he want him sober, yes, but he doesn't want his recovery cramping his style in any way. He made that damn clear with the brain damage thing and pretty much everything he said about recording Relapse. The fact that Paul asked about brain damage after Marshall wrote some lyrics is suspect. I found it interesting that Marshall was the one to bring it up and ask "After I gave you some music, didn't you ask my doctor if I had brain damage?" Like those are the questions you ask while they are in the hospital, not when you think the music that write sounds wack! I think Paul Rosenberg is another Colonel. Please watch the Elvis movie. It is so creepy how similar it is. He started selling all this weird cheesy stuff that was not Elvis's brand and he kept getting Elvis deeper into contracts he didn't want to be in. I hope Marshall does not allow Paul to be his proxy or act as his signatory agent because that is partially what did Elvis in. The Colonel made him basically his slave, a cash cow until he just drugged himself to death out of misery. I remember reading that when Proof convinced Marshall not to do that 2005 tour, he explained how Marshall use to be squeaky clean, now he was high all the time. Also, I am still suspicious about Proof's death and wonder if there is more behind it than we know. Also, I am also suspicious that Marshall doesn't share his sobriety pins anymore. I remember him saying Covid lockdown was tough for him. I really dthat was tough for many people, especially recovering addicts. SMH |
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Post by tcat on Sept 10, 2022 7:13:20 GMT -5
I don't think Em is as fragile as some of you guys make it out to be. I don't like Paul, but I think Em allows Paul a lot of freedom to handle the business affairs because Em simply doesn't not care or does not like that side of the business. He is an artist's artist. He just wants to create.
Everyone keeps talking about how Em doesn't look happy in interviews but I think that is his natural personality - very quiet and introverted. He has told us how shy he is many, many times and how he doesn't meet people easily. In his early days, he seemed fun and happy but that is because he was on drugs. The drugs (X, mushrooms, etc) changed his personality and made him more outgoing. What we are seeing now, and have seen since he got sober, is probably what Em is really like and what he has always been like. Look at old concert videos - he used to have some rhythm. Now he just rocks side to side. I first noticed it in the LTWYL video and ever since. The drugs is what made him have more rhythm and what we see now is the real Em. I remember reading an article with Kid Rock and he talked about how Em was over at his house and just sat in the corner and didn't speak to anyone and what a weirdo he was. I think Em is just REALLY shy and gets anxiety around other people. That's why he prefers Paul handle the dealing with people side of the business. Maybe their situation is set up just like Em likes it and it doesn't bother him one bit.
He just wants to spend his time creating, creating, and creating some more.
As for Paul asking his doctor if he had permanent damage...I really don't see anything wrong or sinister about that. Drugs can permanently alter your cognitive abilities. We have no idea what Em was putting out at the time that made Paul wonder if he was permanently brain damaged. It was probably shit. Em has stated it took him a minute to get back into the flow of things. He has said he had to relearn how to write and rap, so Paul asking that question could be perfectly legit.
I don't know...I don't like Paul because I think he is shady. But on the other hand, Em could have their relationship set up just the way he likes it. Not because he wants someone to control him but because he has some odd ball quirks and doesn't want to deal with the business side of things.
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Post by alphagirl01 on Sept 10, 2022 9:32:49 GMT -5
I don't think Em is as fragile as some of you guys make it out to be. I don't like Paul, but I think Em allows Paul a lot of freedom to handle the business affairs because Em simply doesn't not care or does not like that side of the business. He is an artist's artist. He just wants to create. Everyone keeps talking about how Em doesn't look happy in interviews but I think that is his natural personality - very quiet and introverted. He has told us how shy he is many, many times and how he doesn't meet people easily. In his early days, he seemed fun and happy but that is because he was on drugs. The drugs (X, mushrooms, etc) changed his personality and made him more outgoing. What we are seeing now, and have seen since he got sober, is probably what Em is really like and what he has always been like. Look at old concert videos - he used to have some rhythm. Now he just rocks side to side. I first noticed it in the LTWYL video and ever since. The drugs is what made him have more rhythm and what we see now is the real Em. I remember reading an article with Kid Rock and he talked about how Em was over at his house and just sat in the corner and didn't speak to anyone and what a weirdo he was. I think Em is just REALLY shy and gets anxiety around other people. That's why he prefers Paul handle the dealing with people side of the business. Maybe their situation is set up just like Em likes it and it doesn't bother him one bit. He just wants to spend his time creating, creating, and creating some more. As for Paul asking his doctor if he had permanent damage...I really don't see anything wrong or sinister about that. Drugs can permanently alter your cognitive abilities. We have no idea what Em was putting out at the time that made Paul wonder if he was permanently brain damaged. It was probably shit. Em has stated it took him a minute to get back into the flow of things. He has said he had to relearn how to write and rap, so Paul asking that question could be perfectly legit. I don't know...I don't like Paul because I think he is shady. But on the other hand, Em could have their relationship set up just the way he likes it. Not because he wants someone to control him but because he has some odd ball quirks and doesn't want to deal with the business side of things. I 100% agree with you that what we see now is likely Eminem's personality and what most people remember is the Em on drugs. It also might make sense why some didn't realize his drug issue if they met him while he was on drugs versus someone like Proof who knew him before drugs. But Denaun knew him before drugs. But it also sounds like he is not that way around people he knows or when talking about something he is super excited about. Look how outgoing he was on Hard Knocks, versus how he was at the VMAs. Snoop probably reminds him of those bullies, if I'm being honest.  Also, when he is on podcasts without a camera, his voice is more upbeat, he may not like being on camera. I mean if you take in account everything that he says experienced as a kid, being told he is unattractive, being bullied, being beat up so bad he had to go to the hospital. I remember his mom saying after he was beat up, he would be afraid of kids who looked like that Bailey kid and would shake and hide. That could do a number on a person and the fact that instead of growing up and being prejudiced based on that experience he reached out and embraced a genre made up of people who look like that Bailey kid. That has to be so cathartic to have those people give him mad respect for his talent as a rapper. So I get why people probably scare the heck out of him. And instead of thinking he was weird, Kid Rock should have taken the initiative and incorporated him into a group he would be comfortable in. 50 Cent was great at getting Marshall engaged. I had a friend like that and they do take more work in group situations. Funny thing is they tend to love extroverts. That is probably why he did well with Proof and Fiddy. Also, people like that are so observant!!!! They just sit back and watch people and typically can rule out people by watching their behavior. I bet he is REALLY great at that! When it comes to Paul though, I agree Marshall lets him govern things he does not want to. But I think Paul takes advantage of that and is shady, like you said. I also don't think Marshall is savvy in those areas, so he stays clear. Not that I don't think he is smart enough, but I think he feels he is not smart enough because I noticed when he was in that interview with Mike Tyson, Mike asked him a question and he automatically assumed it had something to do with schooling and he was like, "I only have an 8th grade education." I have heard him say similar in the past. That is obviously something that is on his mind. I do believe he does lack confidence in many areas and I believe that is one of the reasons he always has a hat and hoodie. Almost like a security blanket. When it comes to women and relationships. I never got the way he said he would likely never have another serious girlfriend because he can't trust anyone, because he is famous and rich and they may not like him for who he is. He also said his only way to date is through a friend. Then I watched a Tupac interview and they asked him about all the ladies who are crazy about him. He was like that is wild and he doesn't trust it because before he was famous, the same type of girls that chased him now were the ones who he would try to walk up to and talk to and they would look him up and down and laugh at him and be like "that skinny boy has to be kidding." When Tupac said that I was like, who would say that about Tupac? But, it made more sense with what Marshall was saying as well. Like, if Marshall still worked at Gilbert's would he be this popular with girls in his circle? We know not world famous, but just in his circle at work, etc. Probably not, considering he is an introvert. Like there are some celebrities you know if they weren't famous women would still chase them, like Chris Evans for example. I don't think that would be the case for Marshall and he knows that. Sorry I went on a tangent tcat, but I say all htis to say I agree with you.  |
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Post by sparrow on Sept 10, 2022 10:55:50 GMT -5
Ok, super long I know. I guess I write novels now. Keep in mind it is all speculation.
I don't think Em is fragile. I agree he's introverted and would add he is bound to be different now at 50 with sobriety and having put out so much art, raised kids, and being so far removed from a life of poverty for so long. It's not fair that so many people expect him to be 20-something Shady exploding from (at that point) a lifetime of trauma and abuse, plus drugs.
I even heard a story through a friend of a friend of a friend type thing that when they saw him at a party of Dre's he was "really weird and quiet and just stood not talking to anyone". Who knows if it's true but it sure tracks. I think his team definitely keeps him protected and plays the bad guy so he doesn't have to, which is fine.
I think where we might differ is I feel Paul's behavior goes beyond sketchy and well into creepy territory. I think he abuses his gatekeeping power and brings people in who don't have Em's best interests at heart that can further Paul's career and keeps people out who frankly Em might respect as much or more than Paul, because they distract from Paul's agenda. An example, granted it's old, is LL not being able to send a message of support to Marshall at the hospital and Em hearing this for the 1st time years later. Normal: keeping the chatter down and media/randos away so Em could focus on recovery. Not normal: keeping him isolated from genuine support from peers he deeply respects and never telling him even long after he was out of the hospital. I realize there was a lot going on and maybe intentions were good, but there are so many instances like this. So many years worth of instances like this where extremely famous performers inside and out of the rap industry have said they are huge fans but no one can get past Paul. Yet Joe Budden was able to. Freaking Boogie and Grip were able to.
I remember listening to an interview Anderson Cooper did with Andy Cohen where he said Em literally had more security than Obama (who was President at the time) and how Paul kept interrupting the interview saying "We don't talk about that" even though Em was in the middle of answering and didn't seem mad at all. I've been looking for a clip for 10 years, it's just gone like it never happened. I know I didn't make it up. Same with that Australia interview that ended strangely. Then the lack of ANY candid photos of him doing anything ever around Michigan with any human after 2009. The fact that a blind item said that MAYBE he was spotted in an SUV with someone who might have been a middle aged blonde is the most we've heard about his personal life for 10+ years. It just isn't realistic.
Then the NFT fiasco(s).
It did not go unnoticed that Paul hyped up Stan's Revenge as much as those fucking apes and then NEVER SPOKE OF IT AGAIN after that edgelord douche bought it. So that was Em's first burn with NFTs.
As for the apes. First of all, IMO he didn't just look introverted and quiet, he looked fucking haunted and miserable. We've all seen Em looking pissed off and distant, but not like a POW. Then everyone said oh these NFTs are gonna make so much money, Em's just being a smart businessman, Em is a collector maybe he really collects NFTs after all. Come to find out he literally didn't even know what they were, crypto/nfts/bayc have been decreasing steadily in value, and oh it was Snoop's kid/Paul's/Royce's idea, not about making music at all but brand engagement for young people. Then for a perfectionist like Em to let a double film the metaverse video for the vmas...and now that the reviews are in that the vma performance was bad and the social media response was 99% negative...the apes disappear and it's all about CC2!
It's just too many things. Too many weird bits and bobs, sus comments, so many coincidences and *consistencies* over a period of years to ignore. Too much smoke. And when you take things individually it's easy to make it sound normal -- ppl use stunt doubles all the time, he needs all that security look what happenned with the home invader, everyone wants a piece of him and Paul is just keeping out the riff raff, it's normal for celebs to have posses and assistants that go with them everywhere, of course someone who did that many drugs might have incurred brain damage. But when the general consensus for years from fans, interviewers, other artists, and word of mouth is they've NEVER seen anyone as involved with talent as Paul, or another manager who appears IN interviews with his clients, takes out his own billboards in Times Square, is not just in the room but on the phone or monitoring the zoom call (Superbowl), has his main talent call in to help promote nobodies on Paul's label...it's just too much smoke for there to be no fire.
Again it reminds me so much of Jamie Spears keeping people like Fe and Iggy Azalea and HER OWN CHILDREN away from Britney, and controlling her access to her money and the world, all usong the excuse that it's for her own good so she could be healthy and happy. Jamie is famous for saying "I am Britney Spears" and while he may not be as overt about it I think Paul believes he is Eminem.
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Post by nelly on Sept 10, 2022 18:13:14 GMT -5
I thought Em sounded really relaxed in that Paul interview. It was interesting to learn about how his ear issue affected his music. That's the kind of insight that fans want to hear about. I also wish Paul would let him speak more freely without interrupting. Successful podcasters let the conversation flow organically.
I don't get why Paul feels the need to get so involved in the creative process lol. I bet Em does a lot of eye rolling internally. Oh to be a fly on the wall while they are in the studio. Ultimately, it sounds like Em has the final say when it comes to music but it's still affected by other people's opinions. I would love to hear a purely independent record from Em that he would produce and put together fully on his own without outside influence. Bring back some of that IDGAF attitude.
As for Paul and Em's relationship, I agree that a lot of it is Paul trying to justify keeping his job and trying to make himself irreplaceable in Em's eyes. It's mutually beneficial in the sense that Paul takes care of the things that Em doesn't want to deal with and Paul gets to use Em's name and reputation for his own gain. At this point they've been working together for 25 years and I just don't see Em parting ways unless he finds out something really fucked up is going on behind his back.
Actually, this whole NFT thing really exposes Paul as a business manager. In what world does it make sense, from a marketing perspective, to associate a self confessed dinosaur who collects cassette tapes with a new digital trend that even millennials have a hard time understanding? It completely goes against Em's brand. You can't insult people's intelligence and not expect backlash. In the grand scheme of things, I don't think this will tarnish Em's legacy. In a 100 years, the good music will prevail and these cash grabs and the people around will be forgotten.
As for the Britney comparisons, I feel like his adult daughters would probably intervene if something that nefarious was going on. The level of secrecy that surrounds this man breeds these kind of theories so it's not surprising.
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Post by sparrow on Sept 10, 2022 19:09:58 GMT -5
I just want to clarify about the Britney comparisons...I dont think Paul would ever go as far as Jamie did. Like, I don't think he wants to control his medications, spy on him, keep him from driving, or personally approve the contacts on his phone. I also think Em has agency and if he says Paul, I want to work with so-and-so, it will probably happen.
I do however think Paul has similar albeit less extreme control issues, and that he enjoys and takes advantage of being the guy who decides who has access to Em. I think he and Em have an official unofficial arrangement that Paul does all the talking and planning, Paul brings ppl to Detroit bc Em doesn't want to travel, Paul is the enforcer when Em doesn't want to deal with something or somebody but doesn't want to seem like an asshole. And in exchange, he sometimes does things he doesn't want to do, like promote NFTs or work the mom's spaghetti drive-thru. Plus Paul is a VERY good talker and has the legal past, so I'm sure he is extremely good at making a case for something.
I don't see the relationship ending either. They both benefit from it. At the same time, that doesn't make it healthy.
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Post by nelly on Sept 10, 2022 20:29:35 GMT -5
I just want to clarify about the Britney comparisons...I dont think Paul would ever go as far as Jamie did. Like, I don't think he wants to control his medications, spy on him, keep him from driving, or personally approve the contacts on his phone. I also think Em has agency and if he says Paul, I want to work with so-and-so, it will probably happen. I do however think Paul has similar albeit less extreme control issues, and that he enjoys and takes advantage of being the guy who decides who has access to Em. I think he and Em have an official unofficial arrangement that Paul does all the talking and planning, Paul brings ppl to Detroit bc Em doesn't want to travel, Paul is the enforcer when Em doesn't want to deal with something or somebody but doesn't want to seem like an asshole. And in exchange, he sometimes does things he doesn't want to do, like promote NFTs or work the mom's spaghetti drive-thru. Plus Paul is a VERY good talker and has the legal past, so I'm sure he is extremely good at making a case for something. I don't see the relationship ending either. They both benefit from it. At the same time, that doesn't make it healthy. I agree. I have seen that kind of relationship a lot in the business world. Certain handlers love living vicariously through people in power because it gives them a sense of power as you said.
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Post by alphagirl01 on Sept 10, 2022 22:11:21 GMT -5
I just want to clarify about the Britney comparisons...I dont think Paul would ever go as far as Jamie did. Like, I don't think he wants to control his medications, spy on him, keep him from driving, or personally approve the contacts on his phone. I also think Em has agency and if he says Paul, I want to work with so-and-so, it will probably happen. I do however think Paul has similar albeit less extreme control issues, and that he enjoys and takes advantage of being the guy who decides who has access to Em. I think he and Em have an official unofficial arrangement that Paul does all the talking and planning, Paul brings ppl to Detroit bc Em doesn't want to travel, Paul is the enforcer when Em doesn't want to deal with something or somebody but doesn't want to seem like an asshole. And in exchange, he sometimes does things he doesn't want to do, like promote NFTs or work the mom's spaghetti drive-thru. Plus Paul is a VERY good talker and has the legal past, so I'm sure he is extremely good at making a case for something. I don't see the relationship ending either. They both benefit from it. At the same time, that doesn't make it healthy. what you said I bolded above in red is hilarious and EVERYTHING! |
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Post by matty on Sept 12, 2022 11:43:43 GMT -5
I thought Em sounded really relaxed in that Paul interview. It was interesting to learn about how his ear issue affected his music. That's the kind of insight that fans want to hear about. I also wish Paul would let him speak more freely without interrupting. Successful podcasters let the conversation flow organically. I don't get why Paul feels the need to get so involved in the creative process lol. I bet Em does a lot of eye rolling internally. Oh to be a fly on the wall while they are in the studio. Ultimately, it sounds like Em has the final say when it comes to music but it's still affected by other people's opinions. I would love to hear a purely independent record from Em that he would produce and put together fully on his own without outside influence. Bring back some of that IDGAF attitude. As for Paul and Em's relationship, I agree that a lot of it is Paul trying to justify keeping his job and trying to make himself irreplaceable in Em's eyes. It's mutually beneficial in the sense that Paul takes care of the things that Em doesn't want to deal with and Paul gets to use Em's name and reputation for his own gain. At this point they've been working together for 25 years and I just don't see Em parting ways unless he finds out something really fucked up is going on behind his back. Actually, this whole NFT thing really exposes Paul as a business manager. In what world does it make sense, from a marketing perspective, to associate a self confessed dinosaur who collects cassette tapes with a new digital trend that even millennials have a hard time understanding? It completely goes against Em's brand. You can't insult people's intelligence and not expect backlash. In the grand scheme of things, I don't think this will tarnish Em's legacy. In a 100 years, the good music will prevail and these cash grabs and the people around will be forgotten. As for the Britney comparisons, I feel like his adult daughters would probably intervene if something that nefarious was going on. The level of secrecy that surrounds this man breeds these kind of theories so it's not surprising. THIS!! Except now their relationship is hurting Ems brands. It wasn’t before which is why I went back and forth with Paul but it’s been hurting his brand for a while now. Ever since SH really. And each year it gets worst and worst. the whole nft crap is completely against Ems brand. That’s why I questioned if his team even knows why fans love em It feels like Paul is trying to make the camp famous instead of focusing on Ems career its like dude Em is super famous and ppl love him because he’s em. He’s charismatic, empathetic, lives in his own world (which can be endearing) and is VERY self aware Associating him with narcissistic parasites who have huge egos (aka SH) and making him do scams is like Taylor swift anti feminist. It makes him look SOOOO tone deaf and with the def jam fail and the failure of all his other ventures recently (aka every artist on shady records-I’m sure being called out by funk flex was an ego blow too) Paul just used CC2 as a ego boost which is funny cuz it just hurt Ems career even MORE. Considering the album flopped. It was just ego driven and a chance to prove everything he did the last five years wasn’t a huge ass mistake and Em just lets it happen. Just glancing at his Instagram makes me feel ill. Just Paul’s fat face and NFTs and the damn cc art. All his social interaction is going down too. They have been cheapening Ems brand the last few years by making him do features with every rando and dancing on stage with apes 2002 Em would be rolling in his grave. It’s corny. and part of me hopes that he is kind of bein manipulative with him team because lordt if not he’s just as bad a Royce lately who is the king of corny and cringe. paul just needs to manage. Aka lawyer shit and PR. That’s it. And he’s not bad at the lawyer stuff. But the creative decisions Em needs new blood. Or I swear he is gonna be doing Vegas in two years with Denaun and Royce bouncing behind him. you become who u associate with and ur actions. |
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Post by matty on Sept 12, 2022 12:02:26 GMT -5
I don't think Em is as fragile as some of you guys make it out to be. I don't like Paul, but I think Em allows Paul a lot of freedom to handle the business affairs because Em simply doesn't not care or does not like that side of the business. He is an artist's artist. He just wants to create. Everyone keeps talking about how Em doesn't look happy in interviews but I think that is his natural personality - very quiet and introverted. He has told us how shy he is many, many times and how he doesn't meet people easily. In his early days, he seemed fun and happy but that is because he was on drugs. The drugs (X, mushrooms, etc) changed his personality and made him more outgoing. What we are seeing now, and have seen since he got sober, is probably what Em is really like and what he has always been like. Look at old concert videos - he used to have some rhythm. Now he just rocks side to side. I first noticed it in the LTWYL video and ever since. The drugs is what made him have more rhythm and what we see now is the real Em. I remember reading an article with Kid Rock and he talked about how Em was over at his house and just sat in the corner and didn't speak to anyone and what a weirdo he was. I think Em is just REALLY shy and gets anxiety around other people. That's why he prefers Paul handle the dealing with people side of the business. Maybe their situation is set up just like Em likes it and it doesn't bother him one bit. He just wants to spend his time creating, creating, and creating some more. As for Paul asking his doctor if he had permanent damage...I really don't see anything wrong or sinister about that. Drugs can permanently alter your cognitive abilities. We have no idea what Em was putting out at the time that made Paul wonder if he was permanently brain damaged. It was probably shit. Em has stated it took him a minute to get back into the flow of things. He has said he had to relearn how to write and rap, so Paul asking that question could be perfectly legit. I don't know...I don't like Paul because I think he is shady. But on the other hand, Em could have their relationship set up just the way he likes it. Not because he wants someone to control him but because he has some odd ball quirks and doesn't want to deal with the business side of things. I’d believe that if it wasn’t like they keep making him do things he seemingly makes jabs at and doesn’t even look meh about but absolutely MISERABLE. and if he isn’t that fragile (which I don’t think fragile is the right word but if you around 20 ppl telling u the same thing or collectively gas lighting you with poor memory) you might be easily manipulated and proof said Em was super gullible on top of that but let’s say there’s no manipulation and control (which his interviews and rumors prove otherwise imo which has been documented lengthily) then I’m starting to question his choices and his true nature. Because his moves lately are nasty and then he only has himself to blame all I know before they drop Ems next project they need to clean up his Instagram. Private all this crap and stop acting like his fans are 12. No more “LOL LOOK AT THIS FAT BLUNT!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA” put some actual deep effort in cuz if Em is perfectly fine then no excuses. GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER BEFORE YOU TURN INTO A WASHED UP RAPPER SELLING CONDOMS ON INTSGRAM LIVE AND MAKING A BILLION YAH YAHS WITH DENAUN AND ROYCE. get back in your artist bag. Quit with the rappity rap shit “wahhhh ppl aren’t gonna think I’m not a good rapper if I don’t rap fast!!” SIR UR BEST ALBUM HAD NO RAPPITY RAP so I don’t want to hear it. make grown dark music. Make a fucking story concept album get creative and quit with the rappity rap boring bullshit and have a deep fucking interview that isn’t with someone in ur damn camp. I swear I can’t wait till Paul pod is over. Sick of Paul’s fat face becoming Ems brand on his socials man up and tell Paul to quit ruining your career if everything is fine. Quit doing charity cases for Paul’s shitty label and shifty artists. And I’m sorry yes. 90% ARE SHITTY AND LAZY. Major labels are big boy times. I don’t care if I sound like a big meanie! Paul SUCKS at finding talent. And when your dealing with 100 of thousands of dollars I don’t want to hear the whining. Hire ppl who aren’t whiners and going to gossip on every podcast about the only artist who is keeping your lights on. I swear these artists would last ten mins in the real world in corporate. You dont think kpmg doesn’t take advantage of new employees fresh out of college? But ppl take the jobs for opportunities and growth. Or ppl with masters making 13 bucks an hour?? 22 year old college girls have more balls than some of these 45 year old men. Stop using Ems name as advertising and cheapening his brand. Stop associating with scammers aka Royce and NFTs and quit with the rappity rap crap. Stop it. Because again if Em isn’t fragile and he just looks miserable because he is legit just a miserable fuck then he only has his self to blame and he needs to quit the side comments about things like mom’s spaghetti and own ur fucking choices. because lordt if he wasn’t so charismatic and interesting then I would have dipped the second they brought in the dancing apes but I thought maybe he was being taken advantage of. But maybe he isn’t as insteredting as I think and just a whiney Royce in disguise |
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Post by nelly on Sept 12, 2022 14:21:16 GMT -5
I thought Em sounded really relaxed in that Paul interview. It was interesting to learn about how his ear issue affected his music. That's the kind of insight that fans want to hear about. I also wish Paul would let him speak more freely without interrupting. Successful podcasters let the conversation flow organically. I don't get why Paul feels the need to get so involved in the creative process lol. I bet Em does a lot of eye rolling internally. Oh to be a fly on the wall while they are in the studio. Ultimately, it sounds like Em has the final say when it comes to music but it's still affected by other people's opinions. I would love to hear a purely independent record from Em that he would produce and put together fully on his own without outside influence. Bring back some of that IDGAF attitude. As for Paul and Em's relationship, I agree that a lot of it is Paul trying to justify keeping his job and trying to make himself irreplaceable in Em's eyes. It's mutually beneficial in the sense that Paul takes care of the things that Em doesn't want to deal with and Paul gets to use Em's name and reputation for his own gain. At this point they've been working together for 25 years and I just don't see Em parting ways unless he finds out something really fucked up is going on behind his back. Actually, this whole NFT thing really exposes Paul as a business manager. In what world does it make sense, from a marketing perspective, to associate a self confessed dinosaur who collects cassette tapes with a new digital trend that even millennials have a hard time understanding? It completely goes against Em's brand. You can't insult people's intelligence and not expect backlash. In the grand scheme of things, I don't think this will tarnish Em's legacy. In a 100 years, the good music will prevail and these cash grabs and the people around will be forgotten. As for the Britney comparisons, I feel like his adult daughters would probably intervene if something that nefarious was going on. The level of secrecy that surrounds this man breeds these kind of theories so it's not surprising. THIS!! Except now their relationship is hurting Ems brands. It wasn’t before which is why I went back and forth with Paul but it’s been hurting his brand for a while now. Ever since SH really. And each year it gets worst and worst. the whole nft crap is completely against Ems brand. That’s why I questioned if his team even knows why fans love em It feels like Paul is trying to make the camp famous instead of focusing on Ems career its like dude Em is super famous and ppl love him because he’s em. He’s charismatic, empathetic, lives in his own world (which can be endearing) and is VERY self aware Associating him with narcissistic parasites who have huge egos (aka SH) and making him do scams is like Taylor swift anti feminist. It makes him look SOOOO tone deaf and with the def jam fail and the failure of all his other ventures recently (aka every artist on shady records-I’m sure being called out by funk flex was an ego blow too) Paul just used CC2 as a ego boost which is funny cuz it just hurt Ems career even MORE. Considering the album flopped. It was just ego driven and a chance to prove everything he did the last five years wasn’t a huge ass mistake and Em just lets it happen. Just glancing at his Instagram makes me feel ill. Just Paul’s fat face and NFTs and the damn cc art. All his social interaction is going down too. They have been cheapening Ems brand the last few years by making him do features with every rando and dancing on stage with apes 2002 Em would be rolling in his grave. It’s corny. and part of me hopes that he is kind of bein manipulative with him team because lordt if not he’s just as bad a Royce lately who is the king of corny and cringe. paul just needs to manage. Aka lawyer shit and PR. That’s it. And he’s not bad at the lawyer stuff. But the creative decisions Em needs new blood. Or I swear he is gonna be doing Vegas in two years with Denaun and Royce bouncing behind him. you become who u associate with and ur actions. If money is the motivation, there are soooo many other ways to invest in lucrative businesses that don’t even require Em’s name to be associated with the ventures. That’s what makes it obvious that these are vanity projects for Paul. He’s not fooling anyone. Em has made it abundantly clear that all he cares about is the music. Just the thought of Em in a meeting talking about NFTs with a bunch of crypto bros makes me chuckle. The way I look at the situation, fans understand that these shenanigans are coming from Paul/his camp and casual listeners don’t even know or care about the peripheral stuff. Then you have haters that will mock anything he does anyway. Where it crosses over is when music is involved like CC2 and that VMA performance. That’s where Em should put his foot down and not endorse the BS but he is in an awkward position imo. But to bring some perspective, while it may affect Em’s reputation right now, his body of work over the last 2 decades has already cemented his legend status so realistically he has nothing to worry about. All the stuff he is doing now should be seen as bonus imo. If it’s great, enjoy it and if it sucks, oh well. It's pretty amazing that he has had so much output for so long, most of the rappers from his era are retired or semi retired. I personally completely ignore his SM and the people around him (Paul, Royce, Denaun etc) and it's so much more enjoyable that way. I do enjoy reading what people post here because it curates the content and it gives me another perspective. And there’s always a lot of recency bias in these conversations so if Em is bothered all he has to do is release an amazing project and all the nonsense will be forgotten, just like we forgave Fack, the durags and all the other terrible decisions made in the past 25 years lmao. |
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Post by me on Sept 14, 2022 5:15:45 GMT -5
I’d be really curious to hear the Relapse 2 songs Em considers “terrible” 🤔😂
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