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Post by gracelessjones on Dec 4, 2016 10:19:40 GMT -5
who is this? It looks like his studio they are in. Fearne Cotton, a British radio person/tv personality |
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Post by nelly on Dec 4, 2016 12:59:09 GMT -5
They'd make a cute couple! I hope Em goes for mature, age appropriate women now. I would hate to see him with a bimbo. |
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Post by nelly on Dec 4, 2016 13:32:30 GMT -5
Yeah, I've spent too much of my adult life thinking about the Eminem/Paul dynamic. I don't want to get into the whole thing again but when other successful rappers are saying you have to get through Paul to get to Em it really highlights that the gatekeeper sort of role Paul plays is unprecedented. One thing I've noticed...artists outside his immediate crew including Kendrick Lamar will always talk about "when they got the call that Em was interested", never that they reached out to him and spoke about it. Someone, I forget who, said very recently that if Em wants to work with you his team will call you, but it's just known you don't call them. Back and forth between publicists is normal but not to this extent. The Em and Paul dynamic is extremely interesting to me too. I have heard that from pretty much every celeb that worked with Em...you cant just call him up. Part of me doesnt blame Em for that though because I wouldn't want a whole bunch of thirsty "industry" people having my number either. But I did find it ironic that even ll cool j couldn't even get in touch with Em to give him a gift...especially knowing how much Em loves ll. I do think that Em has issues with confrontation...and I think he has problems saying "no" to people and I also think he gets anxious around people he doesnt know too well. So I think its just easier to have his team handle things...like for instance remember when he called shade45 to talk to tech n9ne about their collaboration and Tech asked if Em wanted to do a video and Em was like "awww sureeeee...but we have to ask my "dad" Paul." lol-i just dont think he wanted to do it so he put the blame on Paul. But I also think, like you said, that his team takes it way too far. Like I honestly don't think Em could function without his team and I personally don't think thats healthy. Especially for a 44 year old man. Didn't a fan say Em asked Paul for permission to take a picture with them? Even if it had to do with their whole "hide Em until we are ready to advertise" strategy-Em should know if its okay to take a picture or not...thats just fucking weird. Sometimes it reminds me of a 15 year old kid...like "let me ask dad if I can hang out with you...." Or "let me get out of going to your house by blaming my dad...."I also wonder how much they just dont tell Em...like maybe someone reached out to his team to collab and Em never found out because Paul didnt think it was good fit..but maybe Em would have wanted to you know? He just never knew about it. idk I have a lot of theories about their dynamic but my posts are already too long tonight lol. I do think though that "Eminem" would be over if something happened to Paul. I just think he would be a lost puppy without him. That's such a turn off for me if it's true. My ex got me into the UFC last year and I have been obsessed with this Irish fighter Conor McGregor. He is the antithesis of a pushover. He is smart, hilarious, outspoken and so brutally honest. It's so refreshing to see a talent in control of their career. Em could learn a thing or two from this guy. This mysterious thing he has going on gets old sometimes. |
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Post by britanny on Dec 4, 2016 14:11:35 GMT -5
Shady took the depriving marketing way too far,, id love if they were nicer to us  , He's the only artist I listen to on daily basis, and honestly my life is sadder (especially that I'm going through some shit in life). I really love Kill For You & Infinite remaster so much, on repeat since their drop,,,,,, but the 8 minutes track which was supposed to hold us while waiting is unlistenable more than 10 times, the lyrical miracle shit is cool after album full of material, it's poor choice and I even enjoy it. Really disappointed by Em, but again he doesn't owe us nothing... and I think it's Paul idea to keep him away from fans Yeah it gets a little old TBH. I wonder if Em gets sick of hiding too sometimes If he did then we'd see him more often. |
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Post by matty on Dec 4, 2016 14:40:48 GMT -5
Yeah it gets a little old TBH. I wonder if Em gets sick of hiding too sometimes If he did then we'd see him more often. touche lol |
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Post by dmx on Dec 4, 2016 15:09:26 GMT -5
Agree, I noticed this as well.... even Royce said among the lines: I'd love another BME project, but I don't want to take advantage of being Em's close friend.. and you're right Paul has too much control, and imho he's not doing a good job (for Em's caliber),, he just relies on Em talent because it speaks for it self I mean this last merch x Carhartt was straight trash. I hate to talk shit about him, but from observing and other rappers talks, I can't defend him... here's Busta describe how Paul was taking months to respond: I'm pretty sure Paul done a lot of awesome stuff for Em career that we might not know (just learned that he played a big role on signing 50 Cent) .. other than discovering Kendrick Lamar and signing him to Dre... Damn even busta? Look I said this before and i'll say it again. Sometimes I think Paul doesnt seem like a great manager because maybe what he is dealing with (i.e. Em) is a lot more complicated than we know. Maybe he can only do so much and knows how Em operates. I mean like you said-Paul had a great influence signing Kendrick and 50...he isn't an idiot. Also he helped Em get to the top/peak so i do think he knows what he is doing to an extent but we dont know what goes on behind the scenes with him and Em. doesnt mean i think he is healthy of Em though...I think he likes Em is his little bubble. Easier to keep tabs on him. Exactly, the frozen turd is shield for him. looking at Em current status I can't complain much. So if Paul didn't pull impressive moves, at least he didn't pull horrible ones. 50 Cent, Wayne, Jayz... all sold +1 Million first week previously, but they are not hot anymore because of either: over-saturating, stupid business moves, fuckin up with their proteges/mentors... it's all management related, and the fact Paul prevented them itself is great. However, as you mentioned it's very unhealthy for Em. |
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Post by matty on Dec 4, 2016 15:37:41 GMT -5
Damn even busta? Look I said this before and i'll say it again. Sometimes I think Paul doesnt seem like a great manager because maybe what he is dealing with (i.e. Em) is a lot more complicated than we know. Maybe he can only do so much and knows how Em operates. I mean like you said-Paul had a great influence signing Kendrick and 50...he isn't an idiot. Also he helped Em get to the top/peak so i do think he knows what he is doing to an extent but we dont know what goes on behind the scenes with him and Em. doesnt mean i think he is healthy of Em though...I think he likes Em is his little bubble. Easier to keep tabs on him. Exactly, the frozen turd is shield for him. looking at Em current status I can't complain much. So if Paul didn't pull impressive moves, at least he didn't pull horrible ones. 50 Cent, Wayne, Jayz... all sold +1 Million first week previously, but they are not hot anymore because of either: over-saturating, stupid business moves, fuckin up with their proteges/mentors... it's all management related, and the fact Paul prevented them itself is great. However, as you mentioned it's very unhealthy for Em. I agree Paul is great at not over saturating Em but at the same time at what cost to em's everyday normal functioning as a human being? I wish Em still had Proof. He seemed to be one of the few that brought back Em to normalcy you know? Didn't cater to his bubble like world like everyone seems to do around him. He didn't make things a bigger deal than they have to be which is one of em (and his teams) problem. |
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Post by dmx on Dec 4, 2016 17:05:02 GMT -5
Exactly, the frozen turd is shield for him. looking at Em current status I can't complain much. So if Paul didn't pull impressive moves, at least he didn't pull horrible ones. 50 Cent, Wayne, Jayz... all sold +1 Million first week previously, but they are not hot anymore because of either: over-saturating, stupid business moves, fuckin up with their proteges/mentors... it's all management related, and the fact Paul prevented them itself is great. However, as you mentioned it's very unhealthy for Em. I agree Paul is great at not over saturating Em but at the same time at what cost to em's everyday normal functioning as a human being? I wish Em still had Proof. He seemed to be one of the few that brought back Em to normalcy you know? Didn't cater to his bubble like world like everyone seems to do around him. He didn't make things a bigger deal than they have to be which is one of em (and his teams) problem. 100% facts.. I hate this so much, hope it changes with the upcoming roll-out (probably won't happen) Proof was Em and Detroit's spirit, basically everyone close to Em says Proof introduced them, that's a good point,,, just was bumping his album last week, I love him so much, he even released it outside of Shady Records because he didn't want easy sales for being under Em shadow, you can tell he's as genuine and good person as Em is. |
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Post by nelly on Dec 4, 2016 17:11:30 GMT -5
Exactly, the frozen turd is shield for him. looking at Em current status I can't complain much. So if Paul didn't pull impressive moves, at least he didn't pull horrible ones. 50 Cent, Wayne, Jayz... all sold +1 Million first week previously, but they are not hot anymore because of either: over-saturating, stupid business moves, fuckin up with their proteges/mentors... it's all management related, and the fact Paul prevented them itself is great. However, as you mentioned it's very unhealthy for Em. I agree Paul is great at not over saturating Em but at the same time at what cost to em's everyday normal functioning as a human being? I wish Em still had Proof. He seemed to be one of the few that brought back Em to normalcy you know? Didn't cater to his bubble like world like everyone seems to do around him. He didn't make things a bigger deal than they have to be which is one of em (and his teams) problem. Exactly, I wish he still had Proof, someone who could tell it like it is, who wasn't scared of falling out with Em and getting thrown out of the gravy train. That's a true friendship. I think Kim also had that role in his life before the second divorce. She certainly wasn't afraid of calling him out on his bullshit. Maybe that's why he couldn't let go of the relationship for so long, she was the only woman who could be real with him and didn't care that he was Eminem. It's hard to imagine that any woman that he meets now would be so blunt with him. I really hate that he surrounds himself with yes men and enablers. I mean for God's sake, his tour manager Marc Labelle (who I think still works for Shady) was his drug distributor early on in his career and I wouldn't be surprised if he helped supply Em during his heavy drug phase. Could you imagine if Em hadn't survived his drug overdose? His death would have been on their conscience because they did nothing to help him. I get that you can't force an addict to stop using but morally it's pretty fucked up to stand by and cover up for someone while they are slowly killing themselves. Obviously Em doesn't hold that against them because he takes full responsibility and he still has them around but I personally lost a lot of respect for Paul after everything came to light. Ultimately, Em is a grown man who makes his decisions but it seems like he doesn't have anybody to challenge him in his day to day life and it gives him free reign to act on his paranoia. I remember when Kim did her mini press tour after the divorce, she was talking about how he got so used to getting praises for his music that he expected that from everybody around him, even his family. You can tell it's true by how much his brother praises him on social media. You would expect siblings to bust each other's balls and not kiss each other's ass. Maybe they do have that relationship in private but something tells me even his own brother is afraid of expressing himself around him. I'm totally extrapolating here lol but that's the impression I get. I think the only people who can get him out of his bubble are his kids but even that is doubtful. I just hope he doesn't end up like Michael Jackson who lived in a fantasy world most of his life because he couldn't deal with the fame. |
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Post by willowmoonblood on Dec 4, 2016 18:16:01 GMT -5
I agree Paul is great at not over saturating Em but at the same time at what cost to em's everyday normal functioning as a human being? I wish Em still had Proof. He seemed to be one of the few that brought back Em to normalcy you know? Didn't cater to his bubble like world like everyone seems to do around him. He didn't make things a bigger deal than they have to be which is one of em (and his teams) problem. Exactly, I wish he still had Proof, someone who could tell it like it is, who wasn't scared of falling out with Em and getting thrown out of the gravy train. That's a true friendship. I think Kim also had that role in his life before the second divorce. She certainly wasn't afraid of calling him out on his bullshit. Maybe that's why he couldn't let go of the relationship for so long, she was the only woman who could be real with him and didn't care that he was Eminem. It's hard to imagine that any woman that he meets now would be so blunt with him. I really hate that he surrounds himself with yes men and enablers. I mean for God's sake, his tour manager Marc Labelle (who I think still works for Shady) was his drug distributor early on in his career and I wouldn't be surprised if he helped supply Em during his heavy drug phase. Could you imagine if Em hadn't survived his drug overdose? His death would have been on their conscience because they did nothing to help him. I get that you can't force an addict to stop using but morally it's pretty fucked up to stand by and cover up for someone while they are slowly killing themselves. Obviously Em doesn't hold that against them because he takes full responsibility and he still has them around but I personally lost a lot of respect for Paul after everything came to light. Ultimately, Em is a grown man who makes his decisions but it seems like he doesn't have anybody to challenge him in his day to day life and it gives him free reign to act on his paranoia. I remember when Kim did her mini press tour after the divorce, she was talking about how he got so used to getting praises for his music that he expected that from everybody around him, even his family. You can tell it's true by how much his brother praises him on social media. You would expect siblings to bust each other's balls and not kiss each other's ass. Maybe they do have that relationship in private but something tells me even his own brother is afraid of expressing himself around him. I'm totally extrapolating here lol but that's the impression I get. I think the only people who can get him out of his bubble are his kids but even that is doubtful. I just hope he doesn't end up like Michael Jackson who lived in a fantasy world most of his life because he couldn't deal with the fame. I feel since Nate is basically the only blood relative around Em still he knows to walk a fine line. I mean Em has cut everyone else off. I wonder what Denaun and Royce's everyday relationship is with him. I figured they hung out in the studio with him but then I seen they have basically built a new studio they call "Heaven" so I assume they do not have 24/7 access to Em's studio unless they are working on something with him. Thought I just had..... I wonder if all those collabs we heard about that have never been released were because they didn't run them through Paul first? Somehow LL got in touch with Em got the verse and then Paul was like hold up I didn't approve this. Lol |
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Post by matty on Dec 4, 2016 18:34:08 GMT -5
I agree Paul is great at not over saturating Em but at the same time at what cost to em's everyday normal functioning as a human being? I wish Em still had Proof. He seemed to be one of the few that brought back Em to normalcy you know? Didn't cater to his bubble like world like everyone seems to do around him. He didn't make things a bigger deal than they have to be which is one of em (and his teams) problem. Exactly, I wish he still had Proof, someone who could tell it like it is, who wasn't scared of falling out with Em and getting thrown out of the gravy train. That's a true friendship. I think Kim also had that role in his life before the second divorce. She certainly wasn't afraid of calling him out on his bullshit. Maybe that's why he couldn't let go of the relationship for so long, she was the only woman who could be real with him and didn't care that he was Eminem. It's hard to imagine that any woman that he meets now would be so blunt with him. I really hate that he surrounds himself with yes men and enablers. I mean for God's sake, his tour manager Marc Labelle (who I think still works for Shady) was his drug distributor early on in his career and I wouldn't be surprised if he helped supply Em during his heavy drug phase. Could you imagine if Em hadn't survived his drug overdose? His death would have been on their conscience because they did nothing to help him. I get that you can't force an addict to stop using but morally it's pretty fucked up to stand by and cover up for someone while they are slowly killing themselves. Obviously Em doesn't hold that against them because he takes full responsibility and he still has them around but I personally lost a lot of respect for Paul after everything came to light. Ultimately, Em is a grown man who makes his decisions but it seems like he doesn't have anybody to challenge him in his day to day life and it gives him free reign to act on his paranoia. I remember when Kim did her mini press tour after the divorce, she was talking about how he got so used to getting praises for his music that he expected that from everybody around him, even his family. You can tell it's true by how much his brother praises him on social media. You would expect siblings to bust each other's balls and not kiss each other's ass. Maybe they do have that relationship in private but something tells me even his own brother is afraid of expressing himself around him. I'm totally extrapolating here lol but that's the impression I get. I think the only people who can get him out of his bubble are his kids but even that is doubtful. I just hope he doesn't end up like Michael Jackson who lived in a fantasy world most of his life because he couldn't deal with the fame. here is the thing though...even though Em is technically a grown man...he really isn't if that makes sense. I have always had this thought that celebs seems to stop aging the day they become SUPER famous. Like Britney for instance...I LOVE her. She is my girl. But she has the mentality of a 16/18 year old you know? Same with michael jackson...dude became famous really young and he never grew up. Thats because they didnt have to. Once they became very famous everyone took care of the "adult" things for them and they had endless cash supplies with a whole crew protecting them. Now Em is lucky because he didnt become famous till his mid to late twenties. So I dont think he has an actual teen mind set...but I def think he still kind of thinks like a dude in his twenties especially when it comes to relationships and every day life priorities. Yeah he is sober so he certainly matured in that context but I still think he wouldn't know how to pay his electric bill tbh. I also agree he doesnt have anyone to challenge him and I think he hates it when people do even though he won't admit it. Problem with Em is that he seems very self observant but also doesnt want to really change because his little bubble is safe. I think he is really scared of getting hurt so he just surrounds himself with yes men. Like a lot of celebs surround themselves with yes men because of their egos. But honestly i think with Em its because he has been hurt so much and had such a unstable upbringing that he just wants to stay in his lala world. Which is sad because I think it hurts his music because he isn't that relatable to the average listener like he was 15 years ago because he doesnt live like the rest of us. I personally feel like the "real" eminem is the dude we get in most Shade45 interviews. Because they are usually unscripted and Em always is going off on some kind of tangent haha. Also you can really tell the Paul and Em dynamic on there. Like Em going off on something that makes no sense and Paul redirecting him to the topic. lol sorry for the rambling posts! I dont even know what I am trying to say tbh hhaha Em just makes me ramble  |
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Post by willowmoonblood on Dec 4, 2016 18:37:33 GMT -5
Exactly, I wish he still had Proof, someone who could tell it like it is, who wasn't scared of falling out with Em and getting thrown out of the gravy train. That's a true friendship. I think Kim also had that role in his life before the second divorce. She certainly wasn't afraid of calling him out on his bullshit. Maybe that's why he couldn't let go of the relationship for so long, she was the only woman who could be real with him and didn't care that he was Eminem. It's hard to imagine that any woman that he meets now would be so blunt with him. I really hate that he surrounds himself with yes men and enablers. I mean for God's sake, his tour manager Marc Labelle (who I think still works for Shady) was his drug distributor early on in his career and I wouldn't be surprised if he helped supply Em during his heavy drug phase. Could you imagine if Em hadn't survived his drug overdose? His death would have been on their conscience because they did nothing to help him. I get that you can't force an addict to stop using but morally it's pretty fucked up to stand by and cover up for someone while they are slowly killing themselves. Obviously Em doesn't hold that against them because he takes full responsibility and he still has them around but I personally lost a lot of respect for Paul after everything came to light. Ultimately, Em is a grown man who makes his decisions but it seems like he doesn't have anybody to challenge him in his day to day life and it gives him free reign to act on his paranoia. I remember when Kim did her mini press tour after the divorce, she was talking about how he got so used to getting praises for his music that he expected that from everybody around him, even his family. You can tell it's true by how much his brother praises him on social media. You would expect siblings to bust each other's balls and not kiss each other's ass. Maybe they do have that relationship in private but something tells me even his own brother is afraid of expressing himself around him. I'm totally extrapolating here lol but that's the impression I get. I think the only people who can get him out of his bubble are his kids but even that is doubtful. I just hope he doesn't end up like Michael Jackson who lived in a fantasy world most of his life because he couldn't deal with the fame. here is the thing though...even though Em is technically a grown man...he really isn't if that makes sense. I have always had this thought that celebs seems to stop aging the day they become SUPER famous. Like Britney for instance...I LOVE her. She is my girl. But she has the mentality of a 16/18 year old you know? Same with michael jackson...dude became famous really young and he never grew up. Thats because they didnt have to. Once they became very famous everyone took care of the "adult" things for them and they had endless cash supplies with a whole crew protecting them. Now Em is lucky because he didnt become famous till his mid to late twenties. So I dont think he has an actual teen mind set...but I def think he still kind of thinks like a dude in his twenties especially when it comes to relationships and every day life priorities. Yeah he is sober so he certainly matured in that context but I still think he wouldn't know how to pay his electric bill tbh. I also agree he doesnt have anyone to challenge him and I think he hates it when people do even though he won't admit it. Problem with Em is that he seems very self observant but also doesnt want to really change because his little bubble is safe. I think he is really scared of getting hurt so he just surrounds himself with yes men. Like a lot of celebs surround themselves with yes men because of their egos. But honestly i think with Em its because he has been hurt so much and had such a unstable upbringing that he just wants to stay in his lala world. Which is sad because I think it hurts his music because he isn't that relatable to the average listener like he was 15 years ago because he doesnt live like the rest of us. I personally feel like the "real" eminem is the dude we get in most Shade45 interviews. Because they are usually unscripted and Em always is going off on some kind of tangent haha. Also you can really tell the Paul and Em dynamic on there. Like Em going off on something that makes no sense and Paul redirecting him to the topic. lol sorry for the rambling posts! I dont even know what I am trying to say tbh hhaha Em just makes me ramble Actually you make a lot of sense. I never thought about celebs stopping mentally at the age they become famous. I also wish he had someone around that actually told him how it is... |
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Post by dmx on Dec 4, 2016 19:33:13 GMT -5
Excellent analyzation, I feel the same about most points.
Interesting how he approached this topic in "Going Through Changes":
"Yeah, Em, tight verse, you killed it"
Fucking drug dealers hang around me like yes men
And they gonna do whatever I says when I says it
It's in their best interest to protect their investment
And I just lost my fucking best friend
I don't blame his friends so much, they're trying to feed their families, and when they talk with him about it, he snaps on them (Heard he fired one of his proteges back then because of this).
I don't think he surrounds himself with yes men nowadays, he just separates himself from everyone.
He's just paranoid of people trying to take advantage of him
Royce and Porter are his only current friends.. and they know him way before fame and helped him initiatng his career
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Post by dmx on Dec 4, 2016 19:40:36 GMT -5
Also good point that he loves people who don't suck him off
on that Facebook broadcast, I noticed Royce being the grown man and telling Em "Stop it, that's stupid"
same w/ Kim and Paul...
That's why if I meet him in public, I plan to show him respect without acting crazy fan (bullshit I will go full stan mode and he'd be annoyed and write Fine Line 2 lol)
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Post by britanny on Dec 4, 2016 20:06:01 GMT -5
Also good point that he loves people who don't suck him off on that Facebook broadcast, I noticed Royce being the grown man and telling Em "Stop it, that's stupid" same w/ Kim and Paul... That's why if I meet him in public, I plan to show him respect without acting crazy fan (bullshit I will go full stan mode and he'd be annoyed and write Fine Line 2 lol) Fine Line, sad track  |
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, He's the only artist I listen to on daily basis, and honestly my life is sadder (especially that I'm going through some shit in life).
