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Post by sparrow on May 15, 2021 14:20:09 GMT -5
Thank you. I'm done responding to these tom stans or whoever they are. I am sorry for what you and your sons have to face, that you don't deserve. I am a white cis-het female and I try to be anti-racist, inclusive, etc. I am not perfect but I am able to listen to minority voices and not explain how they're just misinterpreting things. Or cherry pick a post without addressing the real issue (*throat clearing noises*). I recognize the privilege that I have by virtue of a skin color I didn't choose. No one is scared of me. No one thinks I'm "angry", "lazy", or "ghetto". No one is surprised that I am articulate. No one assumes I have 10 kids with different fathers. When I see BOYS like Tom endlessly whining that people call him racist just bc he's white that is a huge clue to me that he/they got called out for saying fucked up things. He's gross and cringe and that doesn't change now that he has one song with a good beat.
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Post by samira86 on May 15, 2021 14:38:53 GMT -5
Racism is dead huh... then i must be responsible of the discrimination im still facing NOWAYDAYS as a muslim woman of color.
My god i didnt think i could read this kind of weird shit here.
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Post by samira86 on May 15, 2021 14:40:46 GMT -5
Quoting this coz i luuuuv this pic haha. Happy bday Relapse 💕 |
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Post by riversong1 on May 15, 2021 14:47:14 GMT -5
So which Tom fan group told it's members to come here and argue with all us crazy irrational stans? "Oh gosh oh golly I am so excited for this revolutionary partnership, whaaat you think Tom is racist? Oh, heavens!" Racism is not dead. Countless unarmed black men, though? They are dead, because of racism. Racism stained the entire Trump presidency, brought about qanon and the Proud Boys, and ultimately helped fuel the racist, virtually all-white insurrection on January 6th. Oh, and there was that one time a cop literally sat on a black man's neck for 10 minutes while he cried and begged for his mother as he suffocated to death over a counterfeit $20, which would not have happened to a white male (see Roof, Dylan). Big props to Eminem for soundly condemning all of those things. You notice no one thinks EM is a racist "just because he's white"? It's because he's not fucking racist. He acknowledges the black struggle. He doesn't pretend privilege doesn't exist. He has dedicated his life to a primarily black genre that he respects more than anything else on earth. He is good friends with actual black people. He doesn't bitch about BLM being "stupid" or make it out like everyone is screwed equally. He doesn't complain that everyone hates him just because he's guilty by association, like Tom does. Once again,my receipts are White Boy, Straight White Male, No Lives Matter, If I Was Black, People are Dumb, and Fake Woke. ALL songs in which Tom complains everyone is too easily offended and denies the existence of ANY injustice EXCEPT the injustice of being a straight white male with conservative values and how butthurt he is that people hate him "just because he's white" and not, idk, because he SHITS ALL OVER EXTREMELY RELEVANT SOCIAL PROBLEMS IN EVERY SONG. Okay, here I go. My „oh gosh, oh golly“ persona, is just me being me. Something I’ve struggled to be for a long time. I wouldn’t characterize myself like that, I was just coming in here trying to be my authentic self. I’m actually happy and learning how to relax... blah, blah, successful treatment, first time in forever, whatevs, sorry if that came across as irritating naivety. And I think I answered the „which fan group“ thing with my first response. I‘ve looked up Tom’s social media... I ain’t a part of any group, no one „told me to do“ anything. I‘ve been lurking here, I reached out here, that’s it. Crazy and irrational? No, I don’t think that. Viewing the world from a different viewpoint, spectrum, yes... I don’t think I’m finding quite the correct word, but trying to get this out quick cause I don’t want anyone hurting because of my random words on the Internet. George Floyd did not deserve to die that way. When he was calling out for his Mama, I heard him. I‘m a Mama, and those videos made me cry. Also, George Floyd was high. He was resisting arrest. He was not a Saint. He was previously convicted of a home invasion. He and his cronies took a pregnant mother and her toddler hostage. This mother was threatened with a gun to her pregnant belly.... and now she sees a mural of that man’s face when she walks down the street. (I don’t know if she actually walks down that street, but fuck, I can’t imagine what it would feel like to see someone who terrorized me like that, memorialized that way... wtf) Look up the numbers, more white people are killed by the police than any other race. Armed, unarmed... Fuck, I’m tired. When I said racism is dead, that was just to trigger a discourse... and then you said anyways, and I started thinking about coffeemate and Taco Bell.. focus, wunch! Wunch means wish auf Deutsch. No, focus. Racism is being weaponized by the media to divide us. Judge each other on the content of our characters. Right now, we are all being played by some system that‘s working us to the bone to line their own pockets. Systemic racism has caused divides, and inconsistencies in what people have readily available to them, yes. But that’s not the fault of all folks lacking melanin... is that how you spell it? Stupid autocorrect! Wants me to type melatonin, and I know thats wrong. You know, coloring in skin. The march on the capital actually reminded me of White America. We marching up to Congress!!! Or however it went... But I do condemn it, it was not right what happened.... but it wasn’t fueled by racism, it was fueled by folks fed up with feeling their voices weren’t being heard, and didn’t matter. And, for America, that’s sad. I’m also not there right now... I only saw businesses burning over the summer from headlines in European news sources... so maybe I’m completely out of touch, I dunno... tired, sad, confused.... All those receipts you provided, I didn’t hear racism. I can really go into them... but I’ll be just as happy just talking Eminem shit. And, I’d like to hear Eminem and Tom doing a song together... highlighting „ the opposite sides“, I’d be excited to hear something like that. But... not acceptable. Wow what a Fucking Racist Gasslighter😂😂😂 by saying my experience as a Black Women didn’t happen! |
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Post by riversong1 on May 15, 2021 14:50:53 GMT -5
So which Tom fan group told it's members to come here and argue with all us crazy irrational stans? "Oh gosh oh golly I am so excited for this revolutionary partnership, whaaat you think Tom is racist? Oh, heavens!" Racism is not dead. Countless unarmed black men, though? They are dead, because of racism. Racism stained the entire Trump presidency, brought about qanon and the Proud Boys, and ultimately helped fuel the racist, virtually all-white insurrection on January 6th. Oh, and there was that one time a cop literally sat on a black man's neck for 10 minutes while he cried and begged for his mother as he suffocated to death over a counterfeit $20, which would not have happened to a white male (see Roof, Dylan). Big props to Eminem for soundly condemning all of those things. You notice no one thinks EM is a racist "just because he's white"? It's because he's not fucking racist. He acknowledges the black struggle. He doesn't pretend privilege doesn't exist. He has dedicated his life to a primarily black genre that he respects more than anything else on earth. He is good friends with actual black people. He doesn't bitch about BLM being "stupid" or make it out like everyone is screwed equally. He doesn't complain that everyone hates him just because he's guilty by association, like Tom does. Once again,my receipts are White Boy, Straight White Male, No Lives Matter, If I Was Black, People are Dumb, and Fake Woke. ALL songs in which Tom complains everyone is too easily offended and denies the existence of ANY injustice EXCEPT the injustice of being a straight white male with conservative values and how butthurt he is that people hate him "just because he's white" and not, idk, because he SHITS ALL OVER EXTREMELY RELEVANT SOCIAL PROBLEMS IN EVERY SONG. Okay, here I go. My „oh gosh, oh golly“ persona, is just me being me. Something I’ve struggled to be for a long time. I wouldn’t characterize myself like that, I was just coming in here trying to be my authentic self. I’m actually happy and learning how to relax... blah, blah, successful treatment, first time in forever, whatevs, sorry if that came across as irritating naivety. And I think I answered the „which fan group“ thing with my first response. I‘ve looked up Tom’s social media... I ain’t a part of any group, no one „told me to do“ anything. I‘ve been lurking here, I reached out here, that’s it. Crazy and irrational? No, I don’t think that. Viewing the world from a different viewpoint, spectrum, yes... I don’t think I’m finding quite the correct word, but trying to get this out quick cause I don’t want anyone hurting because of my random words on the Internet. George Floyd did not deserve to die that way. When he was calling out for his Mama, I heard him. I‘m a Mama, and those videos made me cry. Also, George Floyd was high. He was resisting arrest. He was not a Saint. He was previously convicted of a home invasion. He and his cronies took a pregnant mother and her toddler hostage. This mother was threatened with a gun to her pregnant belly.... and now she sees a mural of that man’s face when she walks down the street. (I don’t know if she actually walks down that street, but fuck, I can’t imagine what it would feel like to see someone who terrorized me like that, memorialized that way... wtf) Look up the numbers, more white people are killed by the police than any other race. Armed, unarmed... Fuck, I’m tired. When I said racism is dead, that was just to trigger a discourse... and then you said anyways, and I started thinking about coffeemate and Taco Bell.. focus, wunch! Wunch means wish auf Deutsch. No, focus. Racism is being weaponized by the media to divide us. Judge each other on the content of our characters. Right now, we are all being played by some system that‘s working us to the bone to line their own pockets. Systemic racism has caused divides, and inconsistencies in what people have readily available to them, yes. But that’s not the fault of all folks lacking melanin... is that how you spell it? Stupid autocorrect! Wants me to type melatonin, and I know thats wrong. You know, coloring in skin. The march on the capital actually reminded me of White America. We marching up to Congress!!! Or however it went... But I do condemn it, it was not right what happened.... but it wasn’t fueled by racism, it was fueled by folks fed up with feeling their voices weren’t being heard, and didn’t matter. And, for America, that’s sad. I’m also not there right now... I only saw businesses burning over the summer from headlines in European news sources... so maybe I’m completely out of touch, I dunno... tired, sad, confused.... All those receipts you provided, I didn’t hear racism. I can really go into them... but I’ll be just as happy just talking Eminem shit. And, I’d like to hear Eminem and Tom doing a song together... highlighting „ the opposite sides“, I’d be excited to hear something like that. But... not acceptable. And I’m the one you know the Black women who called you out and gave you “receipts” and you didn’t address me, instead you passively-aggressively Gaslighted me and showed all of us true Stans that you’re RACIST! LEAVE! |
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Post by wunch on May 15, 2021 15:03:33 GMT -5
Whoa, whoa, whoa. I legit just discovered Tom like two/three days ago. I just spent like an hour composing my question about the Tone Deaf video. I‘ve seriously been lurking on this Forum for a decade, too insecure to interact with anyone on the Internet because I have Metal Health issues. Please forgive weird capitalizations, I live in Germany now, and they write differently. My autocorrect gone crazy! I am a person. My name is Danielle. My Instagram is wunch.one ... I’ve got three photos on there. If you look at who I follow, you might be able to find my daughter. I don’t have any other social media, really. I can’t watch Tom MacDonald‘s live streams because I refuse to rejoin Facebook. I’ve found a couple of uploads of his live streams on YouTube, but I don’t think Tom Posts those... so I don’t like, comment, like, or subscribe... Ummm, okay wait, you said a lot of other important shit... I‘m gonna go back, and reflect. I’ve only been brave enough to Chat with you guys... I swear I’m not a minion... but those minions are cute, right?! Like from the the movies.. no... this is serious. I will give a serious response, just give me a minute... literally, lots of minutes, hold o Edited to add: you didn’t tell me about your coffee creamer preferences , right? I miss coffeemaker so bad, and Taco Bell! Ugh! I would murder someone for a chalupa... not really, maybe, no, no definitely not. All life is valuable. Thank you Sparrow for addressing the “racism is dead” comment! As a Black women in America I know racism isNOT dead! For you wunch or whatever your name is to come in here and say racism is dead, and to reply back to Sparrow and still didn’t address that racist comment, that YOU ARE the problem! Dont say that bullshit that you’re from another country cause we all know that the George Floyd video was seen ALL OVER THE WORLD! You wanna back some bootleg Eminem thats on you but dont come to a Eminem fan page and push that RACIST ASSHOLE Tom whatever on here! If you wanna know if racism is dead, trade places with me a black women in America. Trade places with me a black mom who has to teach her black sons how to act around police. If racism is dead, trade places with me and go to park mind your own business and have he police called because they want to know what youre doing there even though you’re not bothering anybody! Trade places with me and go to job interviews and watch there faces as they are surprised to see you’re black! I could go on and on! Racism is dead, Bitch Please! Nice try Holy shit! Riversong!!! I remember you! Doctor Who right? I hope that’s right. I always imagined you as THE River Song from the Show. At first I thought you were matty, responding, and was like „what?! matty is black woman with a kid?!“, anyway Why didn’t you respond to me? Congratulating sparrow... who I picture as a sparrow... I only see finches here, in Germany 🤔 and Europe doesn’t have hummingbirds! Lame! Sparrow made a comment, and immediately followed it up with „let’s get back to slim“ cool, I asked her about coffee creamer. Which I would still appreciate an answer to! Then I was cruising the news tab, thought of something to ask about the Tone Deaf video, and spent a long time typing it out. Posted (with a flawlessly embedded video! 😂), and saw sparrow‘s new comment calling me out. Cool! But whoa, give me a second to catch up. And then I went to post my better thought out response to sparrow, and I see what you said. So awesome. It’s like I have friends who want to talk about deep shit suddenly!!! Ummm, where are we... scrolling up... I have had the conversation with my kids about how to interact with the police, „be respectful, comply, they could be power hungry maniacs and might kill you for any lip you give them“ was your conversation with your son different? I‘ve been harassed by cops, while minding my own business. Not because I’m black, but I must have looked shifty eyed or devious... or more likely, some cops are maniacs on a power trip. I have not seen surprised faces walking into an interview, true. Disappointed faces during, yes. I am not saying these things to minimize your life experience. Fuck, I know there are some racist mother duckers out there. I was an EMT in east And south central Los Angeles. And, that was for a quick minute, and I don’t want to think about it because it was traumatic.... Racism is dead. I stand by that statement. And I say it because the media is using racism as way to divide us all. And I refuse to be a part of that game any longer. We need to look Eachother in the eye, and judge not by what is so easy to see, but by the how we, individually, act towards eachother.... And that’s the message Tom MacDonald is trying to put out there, if you take a second, and think about what he’s saying. And he‘s not as technically competent as Eminem, who could be? Fr. And he’s using shock tactics to get peoples attention, but whatever. I’m cool with keeping the discussion to Eminem. I‘m a real person and I’m an Eminem fan, and I’ve been a creepy lurker for a looooooong time, that’s my truth. |
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Post by riversong1 on May 15, 2021 15:05:14 GMT -5
I have been triggered! Im sorry, I have been apart of the board for years even when it was Shadycamp and I only post when triggered. That person whoever she is must be trying to promote something else cause if you were really a “ long time lurker” you would know that for the past couple of weeks, this board has pretty much trashed this whole NFT thing. And then trying to promote your Instagram account WTF? You never addressed me not once Wunch or whatever your name is, and save the whole Im from Europe bullshit too, just go AWAY!
Anyway if this Wunch person can promote her Instagram so can I😂 at least mine is fun! Not Em related but I smoke weed and roller skate 😂😂🤷🏽♀️ give me a follow @rollersk8n_tahmee 😂😂🤷🏽♀️ I have no shame😂😂😂 if you do decide to follow, let me know with something Em related and Ill follow you back 😂😂😂
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Post by wunch on May 15, 2021 15:08:06 GMT -5
Why do I have a feeling that new account isn't really a new person 🤔 Either way go find a Tom message board. This board is for fans of Em. Ppl that like him. But I am an Eminem fan. I won’t talk about Tom MacDonald anymore... sheesh... well, I might have to mention him to put out this shit storm I started with river song... hehehe, the Riversong! Why does her account say new member too? |
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Post by wunch on May 15, 2021 15:19:35 GMT -5
Thank you. I'm done responding to these tom stans or whoever they are. I am sorry for what you and your sons have to face, that you don't deserve. I am a white cis-het female and I try to be anti-racist, inclusive, etc. I am not perfect but I am able to listen to minority voices (not white guys like Tom telling POCs how they're wrong and why isn't there white entertainment television and how come they can use the n word but I can't and isn't every life sacred blah blah blah). I recognize the privilege that I have by virtue of a skin color I didn't choose. No one is scared of me. No one thinks I'm "angry", "lazy", or "ghetto". No one is surprised that I am articulate. No one assumes I have 10 kids with different fathers. When I see BOYS like Tom endlessly whining that people call him racist just bc he's white that is a huge clue to me that he/they got called out for saying fucked up things. He's gross and cringe and that doesn't change now that he has one song with a good beat. Fantano puts it pretty well: So you don’t want to respond to my Tone Deaf question? Or, obviously my coffee creamer question. Shit. Edited to add, whoops. I got you and Sammy confused. Disregard all passive aggressive coffee creamer comments... gonna go watch that cringed thing now. |
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Post by wunch on May 15, 2021 15:21:20 GMT -5
Anyways, can we just move on from talking about this guy, and talk about the Relapse anniversary instead. I just wanna say that I wish Eminem would post something for the anniversary. I know he doesn't do that kinda stuff, but at least tweet something, Em! Oh damn, I got you confused with sparrow! Sorry!! Damn, now my whole discourse is worthless. But about that coffee.... creamer? Yay or nay? |
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Post by GG102 on May 15, 2021 15:31:05 GMT -5
TIME TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT! Best thing to do is not engage. Period. So let's move on, Shady Syndicaters! I have to say...EMs so hot is this pic I could lick the fake blood off him! Literally! The beard is growing old for me, just as EM is growing old; for him...LOL! How good looking is he in that shot. OMG! My new mantra..."Ban the Beard!" |
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Post by wunch on May 15, 2021 16:01:44 GMT -5
TIME TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT! Best thing to do is not engage. Period. So let's move on, Shady Syndicaters! I have to say...EMs so hot is this pic I could lick the fake blood off him! Literally! The beard is growing old for me, just as EM is growing old; for him...LOL! How good looking is he in that shot. OMG! My new mantra..."Ban the Beard!" Right, god forbid we discuss anything beyond how hot Eminem looks, or how good he looks with facial hair (and it’s really good), or how his supposed friends are so mean to him, or how his management team calculates his pubic persona.... Actually, I would like to talk about the Tone Deaf theory I posted. But whatever, sorry I reached out. Enjoy your echo chamber. |
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Post by sparrow on May 15, 2021 17:04:02 GMT -5
Since you addressed me 3 or 4 times I will try to answer, but I am done after this.
I honestly am not sure what you're talking about. I read your post and it had some right-wing talking points about George Floyd's past, an extremely misguided comparison of the violent white supremacist capitol siege based on Trump's baseless election fraud lies to some sort of noble uprising, something about Flawedzilla reactions, coffee creamer, the animation in tone deaf, and your instagram. Oh, and you told a black woman racism wasn't real.
I like coffee creamer?
I don't think Em "cancelled himself" if that's what you mean. I think he was responding to Gen Z criticism and cancel culture in a sarcastic and creative way, without resorting to lame tropes like Tom does when he says racist things to make money by appealing to a conservative audience.
Please let's just agree to disagree from now on.
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Post by riversong1 on May 16, 2021 10:24:02 GMT -5
I blocked Wunch or whatever her name is. She messaged me on Instagram and then said she said nothing racist, and told me to enjoy me roller skates and weed. WTF? I wonder if thats Mandarin, if you guys remember her? Anyway, I told her to get some black friends, read a book or something! Anyway I will go crawl back into lurking mode 😂😂😂 And thanks to whoever follows me on Instagram (Sophies mom) its much appreciated 😘✌🏾💚💨
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Post by sparrow on May 16, 2021 14:25:46 GMT -5
I blocked Wunch or whatever her name is. She messaged me on Instagram and then said she said nothing racist, and told me to enjoy me roller skates and weed. WTF? I wonder if thats Mandarin, if you guys remember her? Anyway, I told her to get some black friends, read a book or something! Anyway I will go crawl back into lurking mode 😂😂😂 And thanks to whoever follows me on Instagram (Sophies mom) its much appreciated 😘✌🏾💚💨 How do I block someone? I clicked on the name but the only options I saw were to follow them or send a message. OMG mandarin. I forgot all about her and her kiminem obsession. |
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