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Post by alphagirl01 on Nov 7, 2022 9:47:48 GMT -5
It doesn't matter what anyone thinks about Debbie, but one thing's for sure...There'd be no Marshall without her! Right, people can have all this sympathy for Kim, what about his mom? And people have actually came out and said nice things about her. He obviously did a song forgiving her, why can't fans chill. Like with the Kim case, we don't know exactly what went down between them, but Nate has shouted out his mom on Mother's Day I think, as recently as 2014 on social media. I do think she has some sort of mental illness, though. |
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Post by sparrow on Nov 7, 2022 9:54:27 GMT -5
I think Headlights is pretty accurate. He loves her and forgives her but she isn't getting past the gates.
I can actually picture Debbie having toxic relationships with fans but imo she is probably the one manipulating them.
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Post by me on Nov 7, 2022 10:27:35 GMT -5
She already wrote in her book in 2008 that he’s paying for everything, even if he doesn’t keep in touch with her. She said she gets his money through his team. She thought it was embarrassing to send all her medical records and stuff to his team, but she had to do it in order for him to pay for her treatments
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Post by josie78 on Nov 7, 2022 11:50:28 GMT -5
It doesn't matter what anyone thinks about Debbie, but one thing's for sure...There'd be no Marshall without her! Right, people can have all this sympathy for Kim, what about his mom? And people have actually came out and said nice things about her. He obviously did a song forgiving her, why can't fans chill. Like with the Kim case, we don't know exactly what went down between them, but Nate has shouted out his mom on Mother's Day I think, as recently as 2014 on social media. I do think she has some sort of mental illness, though. I’m still new so I haven’t got to it yet but this is something I’ve wanted to write about when I was discussing Kim. Debbie was ill equipped to handle life, parenting. Debbie never had much of a fair shot in life. Debbie, Kim, they were born in to chaotic cycles. Em was able to break the circle. That’s really what I took from her book. She was never really able to keep it together. She lacked the proper skills, support system and coping mechanisms to handle life. She has her own traumas, PTSD, lack of skills and yes I believe she has a personality disorder. I’m always curious who these “friends” are over the years who want to help her tell her story, send messages because all they’re doing is feeding her attention tank and often it’s exploitive. |
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Post by summertimelive on Nov 7, 2022 11:53:09 GMT -5
It doesn't matter what anyone thinks about Debbie, but one thing's for sure...There'd be no Marshall without her! Right, people can have all this sympathy for Kim, what about his mom? And people have actually came out and said nice things about her. He obviously did a song forgiving her, why can't fans chill. Like with the Kim case, we don't know exactly what went down between them, but Nate has shouted out his mom on Mother's Day I think, as recently as 2014 on social media. I do think she has some sort of mental illness, though.
Yeah obviously part of the issue was Kim was alot like his mom, even when it came to not being the best parent (that time she got arrested and had left the girls with a neighbor). The difference is those girls atleast had a dad Like Marshall-that could improve their situations unlike when he was growing up. All he had was his mom who also struggled at getting it together, and even in headlights he acknowledged part of the issue is he didn't have a dad he just had her. I think people forget that Kim-even to this day has struggled to get it together, but the kids may not be as traumatized as Marshall, because they had him. Kim gets more grace because her kids had a better father.
I think he feeds her with a long handed spoon. But I know for a fact she has some kind of contact with him and its clear he supports her financially. Does he talk to her everyday or week, no. But that doesn't mean if she ever needed him for something she has 0 way to contact him, that's such a reach. His mom is old and was very sick at one point. Just because he isn't inviting her over, doesn't mean she has 0 means of communication with him.
I don't think that twitter is hers, because she would have had that video posted on her twitter, whoever runs that twitter, they only talked about the video after fansites released it. I would think she'd post or atleast talk about the video on that twitter page before it was posted by others.
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Post by matty on Nov 7, 2022 12:28:51 GMT -5
You can love someone but know it’s better mentally to stay away
Em has a lot of ptsd from his mom judging from his music. And it’s weird that his fans went out of their way to post this when I’m sure he doesn’t want to bring in traumatic thoughts right now when he is celebrating. He broke a very hard cycle to break.
I hope he didn’t see it tbh and continued to enjoy his weekend
Idk if she manipulated the fans or the other way around but either way using fans to have his mom PUBLICALLy communicate with his son is sketchy and to ME going too far. It wasn’t even a proper news outlet.
now non big fans are gonna catch wind of the story (when big media outlets get to it) and Em is gonna look like the ass for not responding
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Post by infinity on Nov 7, 2022 12:44:54 GMT -5
I know I am about to get dragged for this unpopular opinion, but I believe Hailie with her dad and his mom popping up out of nowhere is all staged. I think it is staged on behalf of Hailie and her podcast. I mean for years we have never seen Marshall and Hailie together especially snapped by paparazzi and somehow JustJared gets footage of them walking during rehearsal? Where was JustJared at the Super Bowl and at the VMAs? Then all of a sudden, his mom, who I am sure he takes care of at this point, and we haven't heard from her in ages, all of a sudden films herself congratulating him, and on top of it telling Hailie Jade she likes her podcast. Then Hailie's podcast, which is normally on Friday was now launched on Saturday, the day of her dad's induction and featured her sister, who coincidentally was not at the induction. Also, if he supports his mom, I'm sure she has signed something where she is not to speak publicly again. Would she take the chance of losing his financial support at her age? And she really didn't look all that well, in my humble opinion. Now don't get me wrong, although I think it is staged, I love all of it, BUT, having worked for the media previously, I have been made aware of these kind of stunts that celebrities orchestrate. I personally think this was done to support Hailie and this was probably the best way to shine the spotlight on his baby girl without it being obvious he was helping her out. Which, why shouldn't he help her, that's his baby. But I know this will not be a popular opinion, so just drag me lightly, don't get carried away because we all have theories and speculations.  I'm basing mine on having worked at a major publication and things I have been privy to in the past. I don’t agree with that. He came with Hailie because she is his daughter and probably wanted to Shane this moment with his girl. I don’t think this all thing has something to do with her podcast. Concerning his mom, I don’t understand why it's staged for Hailies podcast. |
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Post by alphagirl01 on Nov 7, 2022 12:58:39 GMT -5
Just my opinion guys, but I think many of you make some valid points!
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Post by infinity on Nov 7, 2022 13:07:12 GMT -5
Just my opinion guys, but I think many of you make some valid points! No problem with your opinion. It's just weird to me |
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Post by josie78 on Nov 7, 2022 13:23:17 GMT -5
Just my opinion guys, but I think many of you make some valid points! And I hope no one would ever drag you or anyone else here! Everyones opinions, thoughts and opinions are valid. |
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Post by alphagirl01 on Nov 7, 2022 13:33:45 GMT -5
Just my opinion guys, but I think many of you make some valid points! No problem with your opinion. It's just weird to me I get it seems weird and far out there, but having worked in the media I have seen celebrities do some things people would think makes no sense and many times it is orchestrated by their PR teams, prime example is Tom Cruise and the Katie Holmes relationship much of the publicity that led up to that even her saying she had a crush on him as a teen was orchestrated and him reaching out after she said that and paparazzi purportedly stalking them during their dating phase. These were instigated by his team who notified news outlets when and where they would be certain places, and of course Tom always pretended to be upset that they couldn't have any privacy. It was all staged! As a new style and entertainment reporter several years ago, it was part of the training we received and how to handle these type of requests from celebrities and their handlers. I actually interviewed one well-known celebrity and before I could get access, I had to submit my intended questions to their team for approval and they would remove questions that were completely innocent, but had specific reasoning for it. I thought this was outlandish because you learn in school about yellow journalism, but that all goes out the window when dealing with celebrities. |
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Post by me on Nov 7, 2022 13:47:15 GMT -5
Well I think Hailie has made a decision to become a social media personality, and famous, and she has talked about him on her podcast so it’s clear she is his daughter. He has kept her private so she can have a normal, private life if she wants to, and with her podcast she chose not to, so there’s no reason for him to “hide” her anymore.
People are already snapping pics of her when she’s out, so maybe they decided it wasn’t a big deal to be pictured together anymore?
They were already pictured together at the superbowl, even if it was tiny and a bit blurry, lol
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Post by alphagirl01 on Nov 7, 2022 14:16:34 GMT -5
Just my opinion guys, but I think many of you make some valid points! And I hope no one would ever drag you or anyone else here! Everyones opinions, thoughts and opinions are valid. AWE, thanks for that josie78! |
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Post by sparrow on Nov 7, 2022 15:24:18 GMT -5
Right, people can have all this sympathy for Kim, what about his mom? And people have actually came out and said nice things about her. He obviously did a song forgiving her, why can't fans chill. Like with the Kim case, we don't know exactly what went down between them, but Nate has shouted out his mom on Mother's Day I think, as recently as 2014 on social media. I do think she has some sort of mental illness, though. I’m still new so I haven’t got to it yet but this is something I’ve wanted to write about when I was discussing Kim. Debbie was ill equipped to handle life, parenting. Debbie never had much of a fair shot in life. Debbie, Kim, they were born in to chaotic cycles. Em was able to break the circle. That’s really what I took from her book. She was never really able to keep it together. She lacked the proper skills, support system and coping mechanisms to handle life. She has her own traumas, PTSD, lack of skills and yes I believe she has a personality disorder. I’m always curious who these “friends” are over the years who want to help her tell her story, send messages because all they’re doing is feeding her attention tank and often it’s exploitive. Just throwing this out there -- while Debbie and Kim (and Em) all share some of the same or similar toxic traits--reactive personalities, anger issues, misplaced blame, PTSD/CPTSD--my personal opinion is that Kim manifested hers in a more self-destructive way than Debbie. Kim always just wanted to matter to someone, anyone, and if it was negative attention that was better than no one giving a shit at all. I hate saying it because it's such a cliche but Kim was not capable of a healthy loving relationship because she didn't love herself or see her as a person with value. Debbie is a different story. She values herself too much and wants everybody to worship her and satisfy her need for attention, so she manipulates the world around her to achieve that result. She is a narcissist. That's why I said she is probably the one who has an upper hand w/regards to relationships with fans. She has the connection to Em and can offer the feeling of being an insider, so they have to keep her happy or else she withholds the thing they want most, in this case access, but with Em she withheld love and approval. Then people inevitably get sick of her shit and leave and she's the poor suffering victim for another unlucky empath to take pity on and the cycle starts again. I've seen this play out so many times in my own life with my parents and a few exes, I know it by heart. |
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Post by shimy on Nov 7, 2022 15:57:22 GMT -5
I’m still new so I haven’t got to it yet but this is something I’ve wanted to write about when I was discussing Kim. Debbie was ill equipped to handle life, parenting. Debbie never had much of a fair shot in life. Debbie, Kim, they were born in to chaotic cycles. Em was able to break the circle. That’s really what I took from her book. She was never really able to keep it together. She lacked the proper skills, support system and coping mechanisms to handle life. She has her own traumas, PTSD, lack of skills and yes I believe she has a personality disorder. I’m always curious who these “friends” are over the years who want to help her tell her story, send messages because all they’re doing is feeding her attention tank and often it’s exploitive. Just throwing this out there -- while Debbie and Kim (and Em) all share some of the same or similar toxic traits--reactive personalities, anger issues, misplaced blame, PTSD/CPTSD--my personal opinion is that Kim manifested hers in a more self-destructive way than Debbie. Kim always just wanted to matter to someone, anyone, and if it was negative attention that was better than no one giving a shit at all. I hate saying it because it's such a cliche but Kim was not capable of a healthy loving relationship because she didn't love herself or see her as a person with value. Debbie is a different story. She values herself too much and wants everybody to worship her and satisfy her need for attention, so she manipulates the world around her to achieve that result. She is a narcissist. That's why I said she is probably the one who has an upper hand w/regards to relationships with fans. She has the connection to Em and can offer the feeling of being an insider, so they have to keep her happy or else she withholds the thing they want most, in this case access, but with Em she withheld love and approval. Then people inevitably get sick of her shit and leave and she's the poor suffering victim for another unlucky empath to take pity on and the cycle starts again. I've seen this play out so many times in my own life with my parents and a few exes, I know it by heart. This ^^^^ |
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I'm basing mine on having worked at a major publication and things I have been privy to in the past.
