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Post by tcat on Jan 1, 2017 22:13:09 GMT -5
EM seems to have a very fragile makeup. Could be a leftover psychosis from his childhood, his physical makeup, the fact that he has trouble sleeping, the drug abuse he's suffered, whatever, but he is a fragile man prone to getting sick more than most. Also, if he is on medication, he hands could swell from that or he has edema. I agree that Em is fragile in many ways, but I doubt he has psychosis (being out of touch with reality). But all the beatings (including a significant head/ brain injury) and traumas he suffered as a child (and some as an adult)--in addition to the drug addiction, OD, and wild swings in his eating patterns and weight--surely have made him vulnerable to both mental and physical health problems on an ongoing basis. He is fragile, and I'd think he needs to be very aware of his health and ensure he's taking good care of himself now. He's still quite vulnerable to falling back into depression, addictive behaviors and to physical illness. But fortunately he appears to be taking better care of himself these days. Don't forget his mom made him believe he was sick as a child and fed him and his brother drugs all the time. She has Munchasen by proxy syndrome. So bad that Nate was taken away from her and put into foster care for over 2 years. I'm sure that has had an effect on him as an adult.
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Post by matty on Jan 1, 2017 22:27:19 GMT -5
that is depressing yeah i figured that..didnt he say they were ready to put him on dialysis and he had to relearn basic motor skills and speaking skills? idk thats fucking terrifying I wondered if part of it might be pycholgical since his mom had/has munchausen syndrome and was made to think he was sick all the time. I wonder if he had trouble leaving that mind set but yeah i hope he is okay health wise. i notice his hands get swollen a lot of the times too. I have an aunt that wen to rehab for prescription pill addiction (I have no idea what all she was addicted to - vicodin, valium, percoset...she swapped them out all the time). Anyway, she told me that she had to go through motor skill rehab as well. Apparently, those opiate drugs do something to the person's motor skills. Something about the brain misfires or sends the wrong signals to the body, so they have to retrain, or relearn, the skills. She told me it was very elementary stuff, like putting puzzles together and putting shapes into a round ball like you have for infants. She said it was one of these. I wonder if Em had to do the same therapy. i am pretty sure he had to by the sound of it. He also said he had to learn how to talk again. i know someone as well who was addicted to those pills and it really is terrifying. She legit thought their were cameras in the lights and shit. Its sad to hear that doctors were still calling up Em to give him meds even when he got sober. I feel like drugs like those are just as dangerous if not even more dangerous than street drugs. But doctors are the drug dealers in this case so its more socially acceptable and not talked about enough. The pharmacy industry makes a shit load of money and takes advantage of people constantly. My dad is a doctor and HATES when hears shit like this. He said that Michael jackson's doctor should have been arrested for murder for taking advantage like that. Its all about money. Even the psychiatric industry takes advantage of mentally ill people when it comes to pills. It really is a sick industry at times.
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Post by matty on Jan 2, 2017 0:10:24 GMT -5
Do you think he will take a jab at Mariah's disastrous performance? I know he put the subject to rest but that might be too tempting. I hope not Mainly because I hope his album is being produced/manufactured and wrapped up as we speak But also because Em needs new content not rehashing the same thing over and over again like he tends to do
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Post by tcat on Jan 2, 2017 0:40:21 GMT -5
i know someone as well who was addicted to those pills and it really is terrifying. She legit thought their were cameras in the lights and shit. Its sad to hear that doctors were still calling up Em to give him meds even when he got sober. I feel like drugs like those are just as dangerous if not even more dangerous than street drugs. But doctors are the drug dealers in this case so its more socially acceptable and not talked about enough. The pharmacy industry makes a shit load of money and takes advantage of people constantly. My dad is a doctor and HATES when hears shit like this. He said that Michael jackson's doctor should have been arrested for murder for taking advantage like that. Its all about money. Even the psychiatric industry takes advantage of mentally ill people when it comes to pills. It really is a sick industry at times. Wait, what? I didn't know that Dr. were calling Em to give him meds once he got sober. Where did you hear that? I thought he got his drugs from a dealer. I know it started out with prescriptions from a Dr, but once he got really bad, taking 40-60 pills a day, he went to a dealer. That is messed up if Dr. were calling him trying to give him drugs.
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Post by matty on Jan 2, 2017 0:42:41 GMT -5
i know someone as well who was addicted to those pills and it really is terrifying. She legit thought their were cameras in the lights and shit. Its sad to hear that doctors were still calling up Em to give him meds even when he got sober. I feel like drugs like those are just as dangerous if not even more dangerous than street drugs. But doctors are the drug dealers in this case so its more socially acceptable and not talked about enough. The pharmacy industry makes a shit load of money and takes advantage of people constantly. My dad is a doctor and HATES when hears shit like this. He said that Michael jackson's doctor should have been arrested for murder for taking advantage like that. Its all about money. Even the psychiatric industry takes advantage of mentally ill people when it comes to pills. It really is a sick industry at times. Wait, what? I didn't know that Dr. were calling Em to give him meds once he got sober. Where did you hear that? I thought he got his drugs from a dealer. I know it started out with prescriptions from a Dr, but once he got really bad, taking 40-60 pills a day, he went to a dealer. That is messed up if Dr. were calling him trying to give him drugs. He got them from a dealer and doctors I think. He said the doctor thing in a magazine interview I think around 2009. I'll look for it tomorrow after work
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Post by tcat on Jan 2, 2017 0:45:34 GMT -5
Do you think he will take a jab at Mariah's disastrous performance? I know he put the subject to rest but that might be too tempting. I hope not Mainly because I hope his album is being produced/manufactured and wrapped up as we speak But also because Em needs new content not rehashing the same thing over and over again like he tends to do I agree and poor Mariah is a hot mess. Her career is pretty much over. I actually feel bad for her. Her situation reminds me of Whitney Houston. I don't know if anyone has seen her dumb reality tv show she has, but she has a glass of wine in her hand in almost every scene, her manager is a raging bitch that is obviously taking major advantage of Mariah, because she can't manage worth shit. For example, Mariah had a concert in some country in Europe, but had made London her home base since she had her kids with her. They had to fly to the country (can't remember which one) and didn't account for the time change so she was an hour late getting on stage. What kind of manager doesn't know something so basic as that? She needs to fire her manager, get out of the public eye, deal with her drinking problem, and take care of her kids.
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Post by matty on Jan 2, 2017 0:54:56 GMT -5
i know someone as well who was addicted to those pills and it really is terrifying. She legit thought their were cameras in the lights and shit. Its sad to hear that doctors were still calling up Em to give him meds even when he got sober. I feel like drugs like those are just as dangerous if not even more dangerous than street drugs. But doctors are the drug dealers in this case so its more socially acceptable and not talked about enough. The pharmacy industry makes a shit load of money and takes advantage of people constantly. My dad is a doctor and HATES when hears shit like this. He said that Michael jackson's doctor should have been arrested for murder for taking advantage like that. Its all about money. Even the psychiatric industry takes advantage of mentally ill people when it comes to pills. It really is a sick industry at times. Wait, what? I didn't know that Dr. were calling Em to give him meds once he got sober. Where did you hear that? I thought he got his drugs from a dealer. I know it started out with prescriptions from a Dr, but once he got really bad, taking 40-60 pills a day, he went to a dealer. That is messed up if Dr. were calling him trying to give him drugs. Here it is Where were you getting it? Did you have a dealer? When you're an addict, you find ways. In the beginning, there were doctors who gave me prescriptions – even after I got out of rehab. Actually it was 2011 www.rollingstone.com/music/news/eminem-on-the-road-back-from-hell-20111017
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Post by kat531 on Jan 2, 2017 0:55:01 GMT -5
i know someone as well who was addicted to those pills and it really is terrifying. She legit thought their were cameras in the lights and shit. Its sad to hear that doctors were still calling up Em to give him meds even when he got sober. I feel like drugs like those are just as dangerous if not even more dangerous than street drugs. But doctors are the drug dealers in this case so its more socially acceptable and not talked about enough. The pharmacy industry makes a shit load of money and takes advantage of people constantly. My dad is a doctor and HATES when hears shit like this. He said that Michael jackson's doctor should have been arrested for murder for taking advantage like that. Its all about money. Even the psychiatric industry takes advantage of mentally ill people when it comes to pills. It really is a sick industry at times. Wait, what? I didn't know that Dr. were calling Em to give him meds once he got sober. Where did you hear that? I thought he got his drugs from a dealer. I know it started out with prescriptions from a Dr, but once he got really bad, taking 40-60 pills a day, he went to a dealer. That is messed up if Dr. were calling him trying to give him drugs. I don't know that doctors were purposefully peddling him pills. Em just said that doctors would call him up before he got clean, asking him if he needed anything because it made them feel important taking care of a famous person. Or that they would write him prescriptions without asking too many questions. Although neither of those things are ethical either actually. Doctors shouldn't let somebody's status in society cloud their clinical judgment or decision-making skills. Edit--After seeing matty's post: Em very well could've been lying to the doctors to get the pills--or didn't let them know about his drug problem. He just complains he can't sleep or is anxious--and I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to find a doc who would give him a script for Ambien or Valium or whatever.
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Post by matty on Jan 2, 2017 0:56:51 GMT -5
Wait, what? I didn't know that Dr. were calling Em to give him meds once he got sober. Where did you hear that? I thought he got his drugs from a dealer. I know it started out with prescriptions from a Dr, but once he got really bad, taking 40-60 pills a day, he went to a dealer. That is messed up if Dr. were calling him trying to give him drugs. I don't know that doctors were purposefully peddling him pills. Em just said that doctors would call him up before he got clean, asking him if he needed anything because it made them feel important taking care of a famous person. Or that they would write him prescriptions without asking too many questions. Although neither of those things are ethical either actually. Doctors shouldn't let somebody's status in society cloud their clinical judgment or decision-making skills. www.rollingstone.com/music/news/eminem-on-the-road-back-from-hell-20111017
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Post by matty on Jan 2, 2017 0:58:03 GMT -5
There is another interview where he mentioned them calling him but I need to go to bed and can't look for it
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Post by kat531 on Jan 2, 2017 0:59:29 GMT -5
There is another interview where he mentioned them calling him but I need to go to bed and can't look for it I edited my response after seeing yours, haha.
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Post by matty on Jan 2, 2017 1:01:46 GMT -5
There is another interview where he mentioned them calling him but I need to go to bed and can't look for it I edited my response after seeing yours, haha. There another interview where he directly said they called him tho. I really think it was around 2009 but I can't look for it cuz bed is calling my name. I remember it tho cuz I was super angry Also a doctor should know their patients medical history. No normal doctor would give an addict that almost died a prescription
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Post by britanny on Jan 2, 2017 7:00:27 GMT -5
Do you think he will take a jab at Mariah's disastrous performance? I know he put the subject to rest but that might be too tempting. I hope not Mainly because I hope his album is being produced/manufactured and wrapped up as we speak But also because Em needs new content not rehashing the same thing over and over again like he tends to do He most likely will repeat some old topics though, in fact he will. Yeah he probably will take a short subliminal jab at her.
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Post by Aria on Jan 2, 2017 19:42:24 GMT -5
As an addict, I wouldn't be surprised if the doctors called him out of genuine concern too, without knowing that he was an addict and was abusing them. It depends on how many doctors he had sought out as well. Some doctors will not prescribe the same thing within a particular time-frame, so if he kept a handful of doctors and changed them each time, he could have gotten away with having over a dozen sources. He is absolutely correct that us addicts will find ways to get them.
From experience for me? It started with faking to everyone (even myself so I could be convincing) that I had severe stomach pain. To the point that my regular doctor actually booked me into surgery for a laparoscopy AND I even had an appointment with the gyno specialist...which made other doctors (even home visit ones at night when I had run out) be more "convinced" that I needed painkillers for possible endometriosis. I even had a surgery date... but my anxiety kept me from taking it that far and I didn't turn up on the day of the surgery, or even the rescheduled one.
Then, it got to the point where my doctor said "I don't want to give you the prescription kind anymore" (prescription kind had 30mg of codeine per tablet) I want you to try the ones you can get from the chemist (over the counter) which have a lower dose (10/15mg per tablet). But...that didn't mean that I didn't try with other doctors to get the stronger prescription kind - and I was usually successful. Us addicts are fantastic actors. It's not something that we should be proud of ,of course, it's just the truth. We will do whatever it takes.
It was the OTC kind that was the downfall for me, and what almost killed me in September. I was taking about 50-70 pills a day. Because all I had to do was have money, and I could just walk down the street and buy a box of Ibuprofen and codeine and paracetomol with codeine (so I could take about 20 pills at once...10 from one, 10 from the other). Which equated to about 300mg of codeine I had at one time. And then I'd take more as a "top-up" about two hours later to keep the high going.
The doctors had NO clue. When I didn't have $20 to buy them? I asked my mom to borrow money - sometimes, I even lied about what it was for. But most of the time, I told her it was because of pain and I needed the pills. It worked even better if it wasn't over the phone and I could show how much debilitating pain I was in. There were even trips to the ER (another place I could get some, and sometimes even a prescription to take home once discharged), to further solidify how seriously in pain I was.
The worst part of it is, at one point, I had a friend show me how to "extract" the part I wanted, but I never ended up using the technique and so when I relapsed after 6.5 weeks in September and thought that my tolerance was still high? I took 40 pills within 16 hours. Half out of a suicide attempt (I could already tell I was slowly killing myself, but I didn't care) and half out of desperation to be numb with the drug. It wasn't even the codeine that put me in hospital, either. It was the 20,0000mg of paracetamol that shut down my liver. A drug so readily available, it's given to people as young as 12 for a mild headache.
Thankfully now, each time I think about how many and the feeling it gave me, I begin to feel physically ill...just like I did with the overdose. And it's not a craving feeling, it's a "I m never going to touch that shit again" feeling. I got lucky in that I haven't actually had any cravings since, and I hope that I continue to feel sick whenever I think about it - it will stop me from relapsing.
The worst part is though? I already HAD a recorded history of addiction to codeine from back in 2003-2005 when I got clean by myself after making a promise to a late friend. 9.5 years later, and I relapse to the point I almost died. Ironically, my "clean" date in 2005 was in September, and this time...it's in September again, only two weeks earlier than 2005's.
Didn't mean for that to be so long or dragged out, but I did have a point. Lol. It may be that Em had so many doctors like I did, and changed them so frequently, that none of them were any of the wiser and he was seemingly "responsible" with them. Perhaps in the later stages where he was no longer using doctors, might be because some of the doctors started catching on that he was conning them. They may be medical professionals and cross paths of addicts every single day, but that doesn't mean they don't get played for a fool. Otherwise, there would be no addicts of prescription drugs to begin with.
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Post by tcat on Jan 5, 2017 0:43:50 GMT -5
Just saw this on Reddit:
So koolo and his slaves already are saying they have the new album of Em and they say its his last, the album has 18 tracks, feat 4 artists and one new female singer that never worked wih Em before (and its not Adele) and Em produce almost the entire album. Justin Timberlake and Ed Sheeran are 2 of the singers that are the feats and this friday Eminem will likely released the new single.....
Well this is Koolo and his people talking
Isn't this Koolo guy the one who knew about MMLP2 before it came out? Timberlake and Sheeran? That means he's got some radio friendly songs on the album. Yeah!!!! I love when I hear Em on the radio.
Also, sad if this is really his last album, but not surprised. If it is, hopefully he will do lots of media and maybe an actual tour.
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