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Post by Aria on Dec 22, 2016 14:18:40 GMT -5
Most of the D-12 members I would consider being genuine - though, Porter's behavior over the recent years has made me give him a few side-eyes.
50 has proved his loyalty in my perspective. Dude knew that Em was doing some wacky shit before he got clean and sober and lied out his ass for him time and time again. He could have easily just fed him to the media in order to sell a story and make the publicity, but I truly think he cares for Em and the fact they seem so estranged now, is really sad to me.
Any of this Shady 2.0 crap though? I can't. None of it is genuine, none of it is/was being handled properly and it was never about the music when it was brought into fruition. Even getting Bad Meets Evil "back together" didn't fool me for a damn second. I wouldn't be suprised if they hate each other. I'm almost convinced of it.
What concerns me, is that I honestly think that Em doesn't have people besides his girls these days. That kind of isolation can't be good for him. It's noticeable that he and the rest of D-12 aren't as close as they used to be - I don't even think they talk all that much anymore. When they do, one of them rushes to go on Twitter and post the proof that they're hanging out. All the while probably thinking to themselves "we won't get a phone call from him for the next three months, and the last time we were in the same room together was 10 months ago...but we cool."
The whole new "fresh" Shady stuff fell on the wayside. Slaughterhouse is considered an embarrassing flop coming from a major label and it doesn't even seem like they care to even promote the next one. And personally? I don't even know what the hell Yelawolf has been doing since his last album drop. I just google searched, and apparently he finally got sober and did some therapy? Cool. Let's hope he got the internalized racism fixed as well. (I didn't read the article, just skimmed the summary)
Shady is a fucking mess these days and has been since 2011. It'll never be the same as it was in 2000-2004. Never.
I still support Obie every chance I get. I still support D-12 and their side projects and affliated side projects because it's worth it. 50 too when I get a chance. Even Cashis when he's put something good out. Shady as a label now though? They screwed themselves over when they let fuckwits take charge and go so far from it's original vision that they set themselves on fire.
Sorry...didn't mean for this to be so long. Royce is a pretty annoying gnat to me. He's like Paul...now and then, a rant comes out and I want to stand them side by side and punch their stupid faces.
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Post by Aria on Dec 22, 2016 14:24:24 GMT -5
I share the same thoughts, there's a reason of Em being extra paranoid of people using him. I really hate most Shady Records members with passion. People around Em are complete asses. Dre is the person he needs around him, maybe 50 as well. Royce is a passive aggressive snake TBH Bingo. And his puppet master is just the same.
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Post by dmx on Dec 22, 2016 14:29:50 GMT -5
I can't keep up with the shit involved w/ being Stan.
everything is horrible
I guess I should take a break and try to avoid anything Em related.
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Post by GG102 on Dec 22, 2016 14:39:17 GMT -5
Remix Some has went and remix Em's chorus to "What time you suckin' it" :6z This person gets all the cookies for the way they did that. I was tempted to share it onto my Facebook it was so good, but I held back. Thanks for posting, willowmoonblood, and why be tempted to post it on your Facebook, Aria, it's public domain now! LOVE IT! It should be on EMs new album; great remix!
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Post by Aria on Dec 22, 2016 14:47:22 GMT -5
I can't keep up with the shit involved w/ being Stan. everything is horrible At this point, they are just taking without giving, my obsession doesn't help, I don't even know if I'm harsh and over exaggerating or it's the dark truth that we are being very disrespected and Paul could easily call out rumors w/ a tweet or two, I know he observes Twitter, I guess I should take a break and try to avoid anything Em related. sorry for writing a lot of negative things lately, I will stop : P Paul has always been like that, I'm afraid. But I think because Em's world has gotten smaller and he doesn't have the *good* people around him on a more frequent basis, he's using Em's isolation to his advantage. Name-drop when a labelmate has an album, name-drop when he has a 2 hour show on Em's radio station. Which, even as a Jew myself, I still don't fucking know WHY that is necessary. Do something for Rosh Hashanah or something - and stop dragging Em into it just to get listeners to a show for a minor holiday. It is not Em that is disrespecting the fans. If anything, it is Paul - and he's just a fuckwit anyhow and not worth your frustration most of the time. Em is probably hard at work trying to make a new album because the fans are wanting it - and has probably made a few attempts in the last 3 years - but Paul is probably sitting there eating a plateful of beer-battered latkes saying "no man, now is not the time" and Em is probably getting really frustrated with it. He's also probably concerned that Paul is going to send him on tour once the new album drops...which is a problem for Em because touring is emotionally draining on him and is most likely a trigger for his addiction. And yeah, Paul could easier call out the end to rumors...depending on the rumors though. Something tells me Em doesn't like to tell him shit all these days. Lol. He probably has dozens of songs in his vault but "it's not the right time" or they're "not the right tone" for what the album -in Paul's opinion- "should sound like." If I were him, I'd call him an asshole and tell him to suck my dick on the air too....if it didn't sound weird coming from a girl. That, or I'd actually fire him for real....15 years ago.
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Post by Aria on Dec 22, 2016 15:00:04 GMT -5
With that being said, dmx, please don't feel the need to shut yourself away. Yes, the label is in a bad place, yes, Paul is being a selfish prick and has no idea what the hell he is doing these days and can't move with the times But don't let it jade you and feel like you need to step back from being a fan. I think at this point, as cheesy as it sounds, Em needs the extra support to know that we get it's a corrupt business and that he doesn't have the control he should have, and I think that the patience we *can* have, will make up for it in the end. When he DOES put out an album, he'll be needing the assurance as well that his music is what matters. I know people want him to do all these tours and have a chance to see him, but I don't think he can keep up with that anymore - not if he wants to stick to his new and healthier goal. Interviews, appearances and promos fine...but honestly? I'd rather he keep to that and just keep doing spot shows...but NOT at stadiums.
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Post by willowmoonblood on Dec 22, 2016 15:06:49 GMT -5
I can't keep up with the shit involved w/ being Stan. everything is horrible At this point, they are just taking without giving, my obsession doesn't help, I don't even know if I'm harsh and over exaggerating or it's the dark truth that we are being very disrespected and Paul could easily call out rumors w/ a tweet or two, I know he observes Twitter, I guess I should take a break and try to avoid anything Em related. sorry for writing a lot of negative things lately, I will stop : P Paul has always been like that, I'm afraid. But I think because Em's world has gotten smaller and he doesn't have the *good* people around him on a more frequent basis, he's using Em's isolation to his advantage. Name-drop when a labelmate has an album, name-drop when he has a 2 hour show on Em's radio station. Which, even as a Jew myself, I still don't fucking know WHY that is necessary. Do something for Rosh Hashanah or something - and stop dragging Em into it just to get listeners to a show for a minor holiday. It is not Em that is disrespecting the fans. If anything, it is Paul - and he's just a fuckwit anyhow and not worth your frustration most of the time. Em is probably hard at work trying to make a new album because the fans are wanting it - and has probably made a few attempts in the last 3 years - but Paul is probably sitting there eating a plateful of beer-battered latkes saying "no man, now is not the time" and Em is probably getting really frustrated with it. He's also probably concerned that Paul is going to send him on tour once the new album drops...which is a problem for Em because touring is emotionally draining on him and is most likely a trigger for his addiction. And yeah, Paul could easier call out the end to rumors...depending on the rumors though. Something tells me Em doesn't like to tell him shit all these days. Lol. He probably has dozens of songs in his vault but "it's not the right time" or they're "not the right tone" for what the album -in Paul's opinion- "should sound like." If I were him, I'd call him an asshole and tell him to suck my dick on the air too....if it didn't sound weird coming from a girl. That, or I'd actually fire him for real....15 years ago. I really feel like Em is so over this...I think he just wants to end it now and fade away. He has to be under contract or some type of obligation to put out something else. I just can't see anyone calling the shots and forcing him to do anything at this point in his career. His daughter is grown, and she is the only one he really ever seemed to care about. I mean he says he loves his other daughters but Hailie has always been his heart and main source of inspriation. Who that was close to him when this began is still here and/or unscathed? Proof is dead, Kim has had her share of issues whether they were brought on by his fame or not, his mom he no longer has a relationship with, Aunt Edna is dead, other family members turned on him so he cut them off, friends he has cut off. Something seems to be up with Royce/Denaun, and I don't even consider the rest of D12. I think at this point besides the girls (and we can only go based off pictures stolen from their social media) the only one who seems fairly stable is Nate?!?!??! who would have thunk that?? I am starting to think there is no album...Paul tweeted that to shut us up...and all this waiting...waiting....waiting...keeps him in our minds so he continues to sell old records and stays relervent. If he says he is done the majority of his fans will be done to and move on. The only ones that will stick around are those that are actual fans of the music/him and are a bit older (no offense if we have 12/13 years old's here LOL)
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Post by Aria on Dec 22, 2016 15:24:28 GMT -5
No, I'd bet there's actually an album in the works. Em doesn't want to do a Detox. Especially since that almost killed the rest of Dre's career and everyone knows it - even Dre himself.
The problem is -and I say this with the least harshness I can muster - Em has an issue with conflict and honestly...lacks a bit of a backbone when it come to Paul. Em is not comfortable with the business side of things and he doesn't know and doesn't know how anyone else in the industry who would work with him. Better the devil you know, than the devil you don't. He probably figures that things have shown to work with the way Paul does them, even though his way is incredibly fucking annoying. He's also known him for many years and Paul has proven to be a very shrewd businessman. He knows what he's in for with Paul, even though he doesn't like it. nd in a way, I personally think that Paul uses that insecurity that Em can't do it without him, as a way to solidfy his place. While Em has the power to fire, and his general position is being called "boss" the reality is business-wise? Paul owns 50% of EVERYTHING. He has the SAME powers as Em, and management powers on top - and THAT is why shit gets done PAUL's way. Em gave him that much power because he didn't want an entire team of people whom he didn't know how they worked and what they might fuck up.
If Em had it his way and was able to do things without Paul, we'd probably get more interviews. We'd probably get ridiculous ass tweets too. I for one would LOVE to see a Twitter fued between him and Trump. That would be the Twitter story of the YEAR, and I honestly suspect D-12 would be back in his world and Royce and Slaughterhouse would be left in the cold.
But the business is corrupt as fuck, and Paul gains by being a part of that corruption. Em loses, and so do the fans and the genre as a whole.
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Post by dmx on Dec 22, 2016 15:50:42 GMT -5
No, I'd bet there's actually an album in the works. Em doesn't want to do a Detox. Especially since that almost killed the rest of Dre's career and everyone knows it - even Dre himself. The problem is -and I say this with the least harshness I can muster - Em has an issue with conflict and honestly...lacks a bit of a backbone when it come to Paul. Em is not comfortable with the business side of things and he doesn't know and doesn't know how anyone else in the industry who would work with him. Better the devil you know, than the devil you don't. He probably figures that things have shown to work with the way Paul does them, even though his way is incredibly fucking annoying. He's also known him for many years and Paul has proven to be a very shrewd businessman. He knows what he's in for with Paul, even though he doesn't like it. nd in a way, I personally think that Paul uses that insecurity that Em can't do it without him, as a way to solidfy his place. While Em has the power to fire, and his general position is being called "boss" the reality is business-wise? Paul owns 50% of EVERYTHING. He has the SAME powers as Em, and management powers on top - and THAT is why shit gets done PAUL's way. Em gave him that much power because he didn't want an entire team of people whom he didn't know how they worked and what they might fuck up. If Em had it his way and was able to do things without Paul, we'd probably get more interviews. We'd probably get ridiculous ass tweets too. I for one would LOVE to see a Twitter fued between him and Trump. That would be the Twitter story of the YEAR, and I honestly suspect D-12 would be back in his world and Royce and Slaughterhouse would be left in the cold. But the business is corrupt as fuck, and Paul gains by being a part of that corruption. Em loses, and so do the fans and the genre as a whole. I like your analyzation, and I understand it's mostly Paul ..... Even the idea of MMLP2 came from him, and he's the one who reached out to Rick Rubin, it's crazy how much control he has. Also, every beat gets screened by him before reaching Em.... so he has his hands on everything and you can tell from interviews, Em always states Paul handles everything business wise/features, etc.. I don't blame Em to the slightest. I even feel bad for him living in bubble. I think all of this because Relapse sales and critics-wise flopped, so Paul planned out the Recovery idea and it succeeded very well that he felt Paul knows his shit. and I meant taking break from the social media/anticipating everyday, because even if I tried to unstan him, who am I kidding, whenever he puts out music, even his 'haters' bump it.
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Post by willowmoonblood on Dec 22, 2016 16:06:52 GMT -5
No, I'd bet there's actually an album in the works. Em doesn't want to do a Detox. Especially since that almost killed the rest of Dre's career and everyone knows it - even Dre himself. The problem is -and I say this with the least harshness I can muster - Em has an issue with conflict and honestly...lacks a bit of a backbone when it come to Paul. Em is not comfortable with the business side of things and he doesn't know and doesn't know how anyone else in the industry who would work with him. Better the devil you know, than the devil you don't. He probably figures that things have shown to work with the way Paul does them, even though his way is incredibly fucking annoying. He's also known him for many years and Paul has proven to be a very shrewd businessman. He knows what he's in for with Paul, even though he doesn't like it. nd in a way, I personally think that Paul uses that insecurity that Em can't do it without him, as a way to solidfy his place. While Em has the power to fire, and his general position is being called "boss" the reality is business-wise? Paul owns 50% of EVERYTHING. He has the SAME powers as Em, and management powers on top - and THAT is why shit gets done PAUL's way. Em gave him that much power because he didn't want an entire team of people whom he didn't know how they worked and what they might fuck up. If Em had it his way and was able to do things without Paul, we'd probably get more interviews. We'd probably get ridiculous ass tweets too. I for one would LOVE to see a Twitter fued between him and Trump. That would be the Twitter story of the YEAR, and I honestly suspect D-12 would be back in his world and Royce and Slaughterhouse would be left in the cold. But the business is corrupt as fuck, and Paul gains by being a part of that corruption. Em loses, and so do the fans and the genre as a whole. Makes a lot of sense. So do you think Em would get rid of Paul if he could? Seems like Paul took advantage of an younger Em. I too would love to see Em actually tweet or make little videos and post.
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Post by kat531 on Dec 22, 2016 16:27:54 GMT -5
Too much negativity going on here for my blood. I think I'll skip the last couple of pages of posts and not get totally jaded about everything.
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Post by gracelessjones on Dec 22, 2016 16:45:02 GMT -5
Too much negativity going on here for my blood. I think I'll skip the last couple of pages of posts and not get totally jaded about everything. Same
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Post by Aria on Dec 22, 2016 17:02:31 GMT -5
No, I'd bet there's actually an album in the works. Em doesn't want to do a Detox. Especially since that almost killed the rest of Dre's career and everyone knows it - even Dre himself. The problem is -and I say this with the least harshness I can muster - Em has an issue with conflict and honestly...lacks a bit of a backbone when it come to Paul. Em is not comfortable with the business side of things and he doesn't know and doesn't know how anyone else in the industry who would work with him. Better the devil you know, than the devil you don't. He probably figures that things have shown to work with the way Paul does them, even though his way is incredibly fucking annoying. He's also known him for many years and Paul has proven to be a very shrewd businessman. He knows what he's in for with Paul, even though he doesn't like it. nd in a way, I personally think that Paul uses that insecurity that Em can't do it without him, as a way to solidfy his place. While Em has the power to fire, and his general position is being called "boss" the reality is business-wise? Paul owns 50% of EVERYTHING. He has the SAME powers as Em, and management powers on top - and THAT is why shit gets done PAUL's way. Em gave him that much power because he didn't want an entire team of people whom he didn't know how they worked and what they might fuck up. If Em had it his way and was able to do things without Paul, we'd probably get more interviews. We'd probably get ridiculous ass tweets too. I for one would LOVE to see a Twitter fued between him and Trump. That would be the Twitter story of the YEAR, and I honestly suspect D-12 would be back in his world and Royce and Slaughterhouse would be left in the cold. But the business is corrupt as fuck, and Paul gains by being a part of that corruption. Em loses, and so do the fans and the genre as a whole. Makes a lot of sense. So do you think Em would get rid of Paul if he could? Seems like Paul took advantage of an younger Em. I too would love to see Em actually tweet or make little videos and post. I think he would if he felt he could, yes. I think if anything, Em would probably rather go back and make a better decision when Paul decided that straight out of law school, he oddly decided to become his music manager. Which people I know in the industry have also said they still can't figure out why the hell that seemed like a normal idea to go with. "I just spent 4 years in law school.... aw fuck it, I'm going to be a music manager!" It was such a left-field decision that ironically...reeks of a bad "greedy lawyer" stereotype. I mean, I can't confirm anything of course, it's just the vibes I get from observation but yeah, I think Paul took advantage of a lot of Em's business ignorance and used it to build a brand that benefits him to the point it makes Em feel/believe that he CAN'T do without him. He's doing the same thing to Royce, but Royce is very much the same type of snake - and he's using Paul in return to gain more attention. He's using the brand that Paul built on Em's name to use Em to further his own career. Neither of them care about the other, it's like a weird duo of narcissistic sociopaths that are feeding off one another and have found a common supply to share.
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Post by nelly on Dec 22, 2016 20:51:47 GMT -5
Leave it to this board to take a 10 minute conversation and turn it into a psychoanalysis of Em's relationships and behavior haha and it's not like we have a lot to discuss so why not. I'm definitely guilty of that too, we can only form an opinion based off the tiny bit of information we get so we could be completely off base and reading too much into things.
I find it interesting that so many of us fans can't stand the people who surround Em. We are either all very intuitive or just wrong but it's strange that a lot of us get the feeling that people around Em are just using him. It's really sad if the only reason Em keeps these people around is because he feels like he doesn't have a choice. I personally don't sense a genuine friendship when I see Em interact with Paul, Royce or even Porter. The logical part of my brain tends to think that he must really like them otherwise why would he hang around them? But who knows...In old backstage videos, I felt like Em was really having fun with D12. I don't know but I do think he had a genuine friendship with 50 as well.
I sure hope that Em has other friends that are not in the music business that he can trust and chill with. Do we know what happened to Gary? I mean that guy was willing to lie to the cops and say the gun was his during the infamous parking lot incident, I don't know too many people who would do that for a friend. Had Em not included him in the skit I don't think we would know of his existence so it gives me hope that Em has other real people around him to chill with and that we know nothing about. And maybe that's why he is weird around his "business friends".
My first impression after listening to the interview was that he doesn't get much human interaction. This whole thing actually reminded of this cat lady I used to work with, the only way to get her to engage in the conversation was to ask her about her cats otherwise you would be left with an awkward silence. I feel like Em is like that too, if the topic of discussion doesn't interest him he shuts down or resorts to silly jokes. He can't be bothered to fake a smile and just go with the flow. This antisocial behavior is usually indicative of someone who doesn't interact with many people or someone who has a tight circle of friends and has zero interest in expanding it, which very well could be Em's case. Or maybe he just doesn't give a fuck!
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Post by dmx on Dec 22, 2016 23:41:47 GMT -5
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