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Post by matty on Aug 5, 2021 10:12:27 GMT -5
First time I heard a pharmacist be against vaccines and half my family is in the medical field
Anyway I just answered the question man. And yes I think u are a lunatic to be anti vaxx and selfish especially with everything going on now a days
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Post by doubletrouble on Aug 5, 2021 10:24:53 GMT -5
I have many colleagues that think as same as me. But you do you. You're allowed to have your opinion, but so am I. Just like you have the right to call someone who doubts something a lunatic, I have the right to defend my or other's opinion.
I'll repeat once again since literally no one seems to catch it - I'm no anti vaxx, I'm not forcing anyone to not take any vaccine, you have freedom to do as you wish. It's against the Nuremberg code to force someone to do or not do something, therefore, I'm not doing it. Do as you wish.
My job as a medical worker is to inform the patients about possible unwanted effects. It's up to them to decide what they're going to do. No one is going to send police after you if you refuse or if you accept it. That's your basic human right according to the international ethical principles.
One of the things patients can do when consuming a certain medicine is if they notice some reaction that they doubt might have to do with the meds they're taking, they talk to their doctors and doctors are obligated to enlist that reaction as a possible adverse reaction from that medicine. The patient doesn't have to be necessarily right, it's enough to have a simple doubt. That's how things work.
It's usually pharmacists who know this stuff about vaccines because we learn chemistry a lot more than a typical doctor. That's why we know what certain elements can do to our bodies. This particular information is from subject such as Basics of toxicology and Toxicological chemistry. I don't know if students in the United States have these subjects, I did in Europe.
So, to finish it, Royce is allowed to think that way.
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Post by sophiemom on Aug 5, 2021 13:06:38 GMT -5
I have many colleagues that think as same as me. But you do you. You're allowed to have your opinion, but so am I. Just like you have the right to call someone who doubts something a lunatic, I have the right to defend my or other's opinion. I'll repeat once again since literally no one seems to catch it - I'm no anti vaxx, I'm not forcing anyone to not take any vaccine, you have freedom to do as you wish. It's against the Nuremberg code to force someone to do or not do something, therefore, I'm not doing it. Do as you wish. My job as a medical worker is to inform the patients about possible unwanted effects. It's up to them to decide what they're going to do. No one is going to send police after you if you refuse or if you accept it. That's your basic human right according to the international ethical principles. One of the things patients can do when consuming a certain medicine is if they notice some reaction that they doubt might have to do with the meds they're taking, they talk to their doctors and doctors are obligated to enlist that reaction as a possible adverse reaction from that medicine. The patient doesn't have to be necessarily right, it's enough to have a simple doubt. That's how things work. It's usually pharmacists who know this stuff about vaccines because we learn chemistry a lot more than a typical doctor. That's why we know what certain elements can do to our bodies. This particular information is from subject such as Basics of toxicology and Toxicological chemistry. I don't know if students in the United States have these subjects, I did in Europe. So, to finish it, Royce is allowed to think that way. You said nothing to give yourself or your view any credibility. Btw here is Dr Wakefield, I did your research for you. www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jul/18/how-disgraced-anti-vaxxer-andrew-wakefield-was-embraced-by-trumps-americaThat idiot is who you are backing. Also you are backing Royce. That right there makes you lose credibility. Of course doctors take a lot more chemistry/toxicology here in the states. That is what medicine is these days. Trying to decide what meds work with others. Your profile picture should be a tin hat. You know, so the gamma rays sent out by big pharma won't hear your thoughts. |
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Post by doubletrouble on Aug 5, 2021 14:41:20 GMT -5
I have many colleagues that think as same as me. But you do you. You're allowed to have your opinion, but so am I. Just like you have the right to call someone who doubts something a lunatic, I have the right to defend my or other's opinion. I'll repeat once again since literally no one seems to catch it - I'm no anti vaxx, I'm not forcing anyone to not take any vaccine, you have freedom to do as you wish. It's against the Nuremberg code to force someone to do or not do something, therefore, I'm not doing it. Do as you wish. My job as a medical worker is to inform the patients about possible unwanted effects. It's up to them to decide what they're going to do. No one is going to send police after you if you refuse or if you accept it. That's your basic human right according to the international ethical principles. One of the things patients can do when consuming a certain medicine is if they notice some reaction that they doubt might have to do with the meds they're taking, they talk to their doctors and doctors are obligated to enlist that reaction as a possible adverse reaction from that medicine. The patient doesn't have to be necessarily right, it's enough to have a simple doubt. That's how things work. It's usually pharmacists who know this stuff about vaccines because we learn chemistry a lot more than a typical doctor. That's why we know what certain elements can do to our bodies. This particular information is from subject such as Basics of toxicology and Toxicological chemistry. I don't know if students in the United States have these subjects, I did in Europe. So, to finish it, Royce is allowed to think that way. You said nothing to give yourself or your view any credibility. Btw here is Dr Wakefield, I did your research for you. www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jul/18/how-disgraced-anti-vaxxer-andrew-wakefield-was-embraced-by-trumps-americaThat idiot is who you are backing. Also you are backing Royce. That right there makes you lose credibility. Of course doctors take a lot more chemistry/toxicology here in the states. That is what medicine is these days. Trying to decide what meds work with others. Your profile picture should be a tin hat. You know, so the gamma rays sent out by big pharma won't hear your thoughts. Ma'am, with all respect, The Guardian is your source? 😂 While I'm telling you to search VAERS on the website of CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Preventions), the actual medical site, not mainstream news. I'm sorry but it's you who lost all credibility here. And I said that pharmacists know more chemistry than doctors simply because of the nature of our jobs, so we know a lot more what goes into meds and why. |
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Post by matty on Aug 5, 2021 14:52:33 GMT -5
I believe the cdc and my endocrinologist dad and my mom who was a nurse and my sister who is a nurse and my professional doctor. And ps my dad HATES pharmaceutical reps who tries to sell him things. www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism.html |
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Post by tracey on Aug 5, 2021 15:25:51 GMT -5
Btw...children with autism are bright and extraordinary. I’m so blessed to be able to work with them. But I do believe it’s more environmental and genetic cause.
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Post by sophiemom on Aug 5, 2021 15:36:36 GMT -5
You said nothing to give yourself or your view any credibility. Btw here is Dr Wakefield, I did your research for you. www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jul/18/how-disgraced-anti-vaxxer-andrew-wakefield-was-embraced-by-trumps-americaThat idiot is who you are backing. Also you are backing Royce. That right there makes you lose credibility. Of course doctors take a lot more chemistry/toxicology here in the states. That is what medicine is these days. Trying to decide what meds work with others. Your profile picture should be a tin hat. You know, so the gamma rays sent out by big pharma won't hear your thoughts. Ma'am, with all respect, The Guardian is your source? 😂 While I'm telling you to search VAERS on the website of CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Preventions), the actual medical site, not mainstream news. I'm sorry but it's you who lost all credibility here. And I said that pharmacists know more chemistry than doctors simply because of the nature of our jobs, so we know a lot more what goes into meds and why. provided a excellent link to the CDC VAERS site. Please see it. |
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Post by matty on Aug 5, 2021 15:51:35 GMT -5
I think parents try and find answers to things with their kids because they want what’s best for them. And even tho I DESPISE Royce I do think he just falls into that category. Autism is caused by a genetic mutation. But the reality is I agree with tracey …there isnt anything wrong with ppl with autism. In fact most of them are geniuses. I know some ppl think even Em has aspergers…nothing wrong with him either. He is just different And I also understand why black ppl might be distrusting of things from the government because of things like the Tuskegee experiment. That was horrendous. But there is so much evidence supporting that vaccines are essentially safe that it’s socially irresponsible to use your platform to sway ppl from getting vaccinated especially now a days. Ppl are still dying and most of them aren’t vaccinated |
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Post by sophiemom on Aug 5, 2021 15:52:14 GMT -5
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Post by doubletrouble on Aug 5, 2021 16:00:47 GMT -5
Ma'am, with all respect, The Guardian is your source? 😂 While I'm telling you to search VAERS on the website of CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Preventions), the actual medical site, not mainstream news. I'm sorry but it's you who lost all credibility here. And I said that pharmacists know more chemistry than doctors simply because of the nature of our jobs, so we know a lot more what goes into meds and why. Well I was dumbing it down for you so you could understand. My bad. matty provided a excellent link to the CDC VAERS site. Please see it. I hate that about my profession, too. What I've noticed in this particular link is that there was no mention of aluminum compounds, only mercury and mercury doesn't cause autism, but aluminum does. And that they have been monitoring children during the first two years of life, while autism is able to be noticed later in life, especially in girls, who don't go diagnosed until at least 7-8 years old, even later in life. Btw, CDC paid over one billion dollars to the people who have been damaged by the vaccines. The point that aluminum causes encephalitis and that it leads to autism still stands, this is undisputed facts. And before sophiemom accuses me of supporting Royce, even though I mentioned many times that I don't like him at all, I want to point out that I'm defending a child here, not Royce. And no one can know what's wrong with their child better than their parents. So to call Royce, the father of his kid, a lunatic for believing that vaccines caused his kid to have autism is beyond inhumane. Especially if he noticed that this happened after receiving the vax. In my country, there's a list of vaccine adverse reactions and there are autism and even SIDS listed. I'll repeat, I know a woman who's child, a perfectly healthy one, died three days after receiving the vax, bleeding from his nose and eyes with red and swollen part on the baby's leg where the vaccine was given. And she sued the doctor but unfortunately these doctors are protected by the bih pharma mafia and she's losing the case. My mom works with a man who's one leg is paralyzed and he told my mom it happened after he received a vax as a child. You can also look up Robert Kennedy and his fight for children. To say that vaccines are completely safe is total nonsense. Of course, autism can be caused by other things, too, but let's say vaccines atribute to that. And don't flip this as if I tried to say that autistic kids aren't bright or wonderful, because I've seen my words be twisted and misread here. Of course they are. |
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Post by doubletrouble on Aug 5, 2021 16:02:48 GMT -5
I think parents try and find answers to things with their kids because they want what’s best for them. And even tho I DESPISE Royce I do think he just falls into that category. Autism is caused by a genetic mutation. But the reality is I agree with tracey …there isnt anything wrong with ppl with autism. In fact most of them are geniuses. I know some ppl think even Em has aspergers…nothing wrong with him either. He is just different And I also understand why black ppl might be distrusting of things from the government because of things like the Tuskegee experiment. That was horrendous. But there is so much evidence supporting that vaccines are essentially safe that it’s socially irresponsible to use your platform to sway ppl from getting vaccinated especially now a days. Ppl are still dying and most of them aren’t vaccinated And you're twisting my words again. How many times do I have to repeat that I'm not forcing anyone to do anything? I'm literally not telling anyone to NOT or TO TAKE the vaccine. I'm bringing what I know, it's up to you to decide. |
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Post by doubletrouble on Aug 5, 2021 16:04:27 GMT -5
Just... Stop using the mainstream media as your resources. You need to give me actual research. I do have many that pinpoint to vaxxes causing harm. And it's definitely not Washington Post, NY Times, The Guardian, The Sun etc. I knew you would post something like that here, right after you posted The Guardian. |
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Post by matty on Aug 5, 2021 16:20:47 GMT -5
I think parents try and find answers to things with their kids because they want what’s best for them. And even tho I DESPISE Royce I do think he just falls into that category. Autism is caused by a genetic mutation. But the reality is I agree with tracey …there isnt anything wrong with ppl with autism. In fact most of them are geniuses. I know some ppl think even Em has aspergers…nothing wrong with him either. He is just different And I also understand why black ppl might be distrusting of things from the government because of things like the Tuskegee experiment. That was horrendous. But there is so much evidence supporting that vaccines are essentially safe that it’s socially irresponsible to use your platform to sway ppl from getting vaccinated especially now a days. Ppl are still dying and most of them aren’t vaccinated And you're twisting my words again. How many times do I have to repeat that I'm not forcing anyone to do anything? I'm literally not telling anyone to NOT or TO TAKE the vaccine. I'm bringing what I know, it's up to you to decide. I wasn’t even talking to u? I posting my thoughts on the topic. Did I tag you? Did I quote you? no. and you clearly didn’t even read my post. Again I believe the cdc and answered a question that was asked of me my god and quit ignoring what the cdc directly states on their site with plenty of articles linked to actual research |
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Post by doubletrouble on Aug 5, 2021 16:32:58 GMT -5
And you're twisting my words again. How many times do I have to repeat that I'm not forcing anyone to do anything? I'm literally not telling anyone to NOT or TO TAKE the vaccine. I'm bringing what I know, it's up to you to decide. I wasn’t even talking to u? I posting my thoughts on the topic. Did I tag you? Did I quote you? no. and you clearly didn’t even read my post. Again I believe the cdc and answered a question that was asked of me my god and quit ignoring what the cdc directly states on their site with plenty of articles linked to actual research You very clearly implied it to me because I'm the only one speaking something against it. What if I gave you research that contradicts these researches? Who would be right? What if I told you again that the same CDC we've mentioned paid over billion dollars to people damaged from the vaccines? And why doesn't your dad trust pharmacists that are trying to sell him something but trusts them when they're trying to sell him vaccines? Yes, I have read the post. That's why I pointed out that they didn't mention aluminum at all and that they monitored children in the first two years of life when it's hard to detect autism. It's detected later in life. Information manipulation to sell you their "magic" vaccines. |
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Post by matty on Aug 5, 2021 16:39:59 GMT -5
I wasn’t even talking to u? I posting my thoughts on the topic. Did I tag you? Did I quote you? no. and you clearly didn’t even read my post. Again I believe the cdc and answered a question that was asked of me my god and quit ignoring what the cdc directly states on their site with plenty of articles linked to actual research You very clearly implied it to me because I'm the only one speaking something against it. What if I gave you research that contradicts these researches? Who would be right? What if I told you again that the same CDC we've mentioned paid over billion dollars to people damaged from the vaccines? And why doesn't your dad trust pharmacists that are trying to sell him something but trusts them when they're trying to sell him vaccines? Dude my last post was directed at Royce I was eluding to his platform. Hence me mentioning his point of view prior to the damn statement. U ain’t my pharmacist so with all due respect I don’t care what u think. I believe the cdc, my doctor, my dad who was published in many research journals and my own research. I also care when Royce runs around telling his fans not to get vaccinate because it’s harmful. Celebs should keep their mouths shut about this shit. I get WHY he might be hesitate but to use his platform right now to portray anti vaxx ideals is HARMFUL because ppl are dying especially with the variant now leave me alone. All I did was answer a question. |
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