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Post by traci on Oct 10, 2024 14:21:03 GMT -5
Yes, it would be..Well, if i'm completely honest, everyone we see can be either good or awful at the same time...don't mean to sound rude or ignorant, but what you said at some point would have come out eventually to the public, especially in the case of someone as famous as Eminem...what i said is something repeaded by a lot of persons who met him, they all said he's nice. If you want to believe that he's a monster in disguise, you can do that. I personally going to rely on what i know or seen, altho , no i don't believe "everything good" about him. Your interpretation is that that kind of behavior I described, if it were true, WOULD make him a monster? Just clarifying.
This is hypothetical -- I'm really interested in how others would see the rest of his personality with that sort of new information.
what has gotten into the water on here lately?!? Post are a bit wild. I would be upset because i am hopeful a decent person, but I’m not a hypocrite. If someone is bad bad… someone is bad bad. I don’t know how I feel about the phone example, because the others are being accused of abuse, sex trafficking etc., but I would think at that point if and years and proof of - would just get a restraining order. So you’re saying he’s doing kind of a Kanye with Kim type thing? |
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Post by antoniaalex18 on Oct 10, 2024 14:40:51 GMT -5
Yes, it would be..Well, if i'm completely honest, everyone we see can be either good or awful at the same time...don't mean to sound rude or ignorant, but what you said at some point would have come out eventually to the public, especially in the case of someone as famous as Eminem...what i said is something repeaded by a lot of persons who met him, they all said he's nice. If you want to believe that he's a monster in disguise, you can do that. I personally going to rely on what i know or seen, altho , no i don't believe "everything good" about him. Your interpretation is that that kind of behavior I described, if it were true, WOULD make him a monster? Just clarifying.
This is hypothetical -- I'm really interested in how others would see the rest of his personality with that sort of new information.
I'm sorry and i apologise for my other comment (i'm very tired rn and don't feel well lol)..hypothetically (and in reality too), yes , it would make him a monster, or anyone who does smth like you described for that matter. If it were true, i wouldn't follow him anymore. I apologise for my behaviour too, as i said i don't believe everything good about him (like he has issues,can be cruel,may be hard to deal with for example), but he's not that evil either, or at least doesn't seem to be. I always thought and hoped he's a decent person. Of course, he could've done some awful stuff we have no clue about, but with this type of things some proof would be needed, just my thought. |
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Post by pdaw on Oct 10, 2024 14:59:52 GMT -5
Your interpretation is that that kind of behavior I described, if it were true, WOULD make him a monster? Just clarifying.
This is hypothetical -- I'm really interested in how others would see the rest of his personality with that sort of new information.
what has gotten into the water on here lately?!? Post are a bit wild. I would be upset because i am hopeful a decent person, but I’m not a hypocrite. If someone is bad bad… someone is bad bad. I don’t know how I feel about the phone example, because the others are being accused of abuse, sex trafficking etc., but I would think at that point if and years and proof of - would just get a restraining order. So you’re saying he’s doing kind of a Kanye with Kim type thing?
Ha! Yeah, I don't know anything about Kanye or his specific brand of disaster, so I can't compare.
Also, I'm not making an accusation -- this is not what an accusation would look like.
What I'm actually, sincerely interested in is the real opinions of others on whether the kind of hidden maliciousness I describe, even relatively low-level mischief like this hypothetical scenario, would affect public interpretation of a person generally believed to be a decent, respectable human being... such as Em is widely believed to be.
Just curious about what people here would think. Thanks for answering. 
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Post by pdaw on Oct 10, 2024 15:04:41 GMT -5
Your interpretation is that that kind of behavior I described, if it were true, WOULD make him a monster? Just clarifying.
This is hypothetical -- I'm really interested in how others would see the rest of his personality with that sort of new information.
I'm sorry and i apologise for my other comment (i'm very tired rn and don't feel well lol)..hypothetically (and in reality too), yes , it would make him a monster, or anyone who does smth like you described for that matter. If it were true, wouldn't follow him anymore. I apologise for my behaviour too, as i said i don't believe everything good about him (like he has issues,can be cruel,may be hard to deal with for example), but he's not that evil either, or at least doesn't seem to be. I always thought and hoped he's a decent person. Of course, he could've done some awful stuff we have no clue about, but with this type of things some proof would be needed, just my thought. Aw, you're good, babe, no worries! You're very sweet though.
Thanks for taking the time to respond, and to revisit your ideas. I really wanted to know what people thought.
Hope you feel better. There's a lot of tension everywhere lately... I've been feeling it myself.
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Post by traci on Oct 10, 2024 15:04:55 GMT -5
what has gotten into the water on here lately?!? Post are a bit wild. I would be upset because i am hopeful a decent person, but I’m not a hypocrite. If someone is bad bad… someone is bad bad. I don’t know how I feel about the phone example, because the others are being accused of abuse, sex trafficking etc., but I would think at that point if and years and proof of - would just get a restraining order. So you’re saying he’s doing kind of a Kanye with Kim type thing?
Ha! Yeah, I don't know anything about Kanye or his specific brand of disaster, so I can't compare.
Also, I'm not making an accusation -- this is not what an accusation would look like.
What I'm actually, sincerely interested in is the real opinions of others on whether the kind of hidden maliciousness I describe, even relatively low-level mischief like this hypothetical scenario, would affect public interpretation of a person generally believed to be a decent, respectable human being... such as Em is widely believed to be.
Just curious about what people here would think. Thanks for answering.
no, it’s a good question. Do we only judge people after a certain level of bad?!? I don’t know how I would answer that phone question lol |
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Post by pdaw on Oct 10, 2024 15:19:34 GMT -5
Ha! Yeah, I don't know anything about Kanye or his specific brand of disaster, so I can't compare.
Also, I'm not making an accusation -- this is not what an accusation would look like.
What I'm actually, sincerely interested in is the real opinions of others on whether the kind of hidden maliciousness I describe, even relatively low-level mischief like this hypothetical scenario, would affect public interpretation of a person generally believed to be a decent, respectable human being... such as Em is widely believed to be.
Just curious about what people here would think. Thanks for answering.
no, it’s a good question. Do we only judge people after a certain level of bad?!? I don’t know how I would answer that phone question lol Right, that's just it, that's exactly what I'm wondering.
If a highly visible person's public-facing identity APPEARS admirable on the surface, even while under the radar there's funny business like the oppressing a random non-celebrity woman scenario I described, would or should they get a "pass" for that one piece of shit-heel conduct, since everything else is so spiffy and upright and admirable?
My opinion is the same as yours, traci. No pass.
A truly decent man would not put a woman through this sort of violation.
One who does is not a decent man. He is something else.
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Post by antoniaalex18 on Oct 10, 2024 15:42:18 GMT -5
no, it’s a good question. Do we only judge people after a certain level of bad?!? I don’t know how I would answer that phone question lol Right, that's just it, that's exactly what I'm wondering.
If a highly visible person's public-facing identity APPEARS admirable on the surface, even while under the radar there's funny business like the oppressing a random non-celebrity woman scenario I described, would or should they get a "pass" for that one piece of shit-heel conduct, since everything else is so spiffy and upright and admirable?
My opinion is the same as yours, traci. No pass.
A truly decent man would not put a woman through this sort of violation.
One who does is not a decent man. He is something else.
Thank you sm for what you said earlier.. and i'll try to take my time and process more my answers. I have a question tho..what you mean with "he is something else"? |
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Post by pdaw on Oct 10, 2024 16:26:30 GMT -5
Right, that's just it, that's exactly what I'm wondering.
If a highly visible person's public-facing identity APPEARS admirable on the surface, even while under the radar there's funny business like the oppressing a random non-celebrity woman scenario I described, would or should they get a "pass" for that one piece of shit-heel conduct, since everything else is so spiffy and upright and admirable?
My opinion is the same as yours, traci. No pass.
A truly decent man would not put a woman through this sort of violation.
One who does is not a decent man. He is something else.
Thank you sm for what you said earlier.. and i'll try to take my time and process more my answers. I have a question tho..what you mean with "he is something else"? Something other than a decent man. |
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Post by antoniaalex18 on Oct 10, 2024 16:30:52 GMT -5
Thank you sm for what you said earlier.. and i'll try to take my time and process more my answers. I have a question tho..what you mean with "he is something else"? Something other than a decent man. Oh got it, i'm sorry thought you were talking about Eminem there for a second , that's why it didn't make sense in my head. 😅 Man, i really need to go to sleep 🙃 |
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Post by traci on Oct 11, 2024 7:58:13 GMT -5
Jelly Roll’s new album came out today, and I can see why Eminem would collaborate with him – they share similar struggles and themes.
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Post by chika on Oct 11, 2024 10:31:12 GMT -5
Does anyone know if em owns his masters? With kanye going off the deep end ive been thinking about how these highly successful musicians are always surrounded by vultures and how quiet and shady ems camp is. Idk im in a bad mood as i write this but i listened to jeff bass's interviews and i couldnt help but be annoyed to how he contributes all of ems early success to... himself almost? Like yeah he was a nobody we groomed him he didnt have any musicality we had the vision blahblah ok and then being sad about not having credit when these guys became millionaires off of ems music which while yeah they played a huge part in, mainly channeled em's grief and witt. I wouldnt be listening to as the world turns or brain damage if i wasnt mesmerized by his humor and story telling. Plus with the lawsuit they had with aftermath its says they get 50% royalities for every master liscence?? Thats ALOT. And they were auctioniong off royalities a while back + the 8 mile vs spotify case they lost cause the court said there intentions were fishy. i dont know law but these guys were shady and i cant help but feel like theres more to the falling out then we know.
So jeff says paul is a nobody who is basically ems handler. And paul in interviews also goes off like "we did this" or "i did this" and is constantly patting himself on the back for em's success. Its really weird. Everyone in em's team is weird as hell. Its pure luck that hes alive and hopefull well but its interesting to think after listening to SSM what would have happened to ems family in the event of his passing? His kids were so young would they have gotten anything? IDK i wonder if hes the one who signed an NDA because how come he doesnt talk about how he made his records and his writing process. Lol sorry for the rant idk where else to post this 😷
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Post by antoniaalex18 on Oct 11, 2024 11:49:10 GMT -5
Does anyone know if em owns his masters? With kanye going off the deep end ive been thinking about how these highly successful musicians are always surrounded by vultures and how quiet and shady ems camp is. Idk im in a bad mood as i write this but i listened to jeff bass's interviews and i couldnt help but be annoyed to how he contributes all of ems early success to... himself almost? Like yeah he was a nobody we groomed him he didnt have any musicality we had the vision blahblah ok and then being sad about not having credit when these guys became millionaires off of ems music which while yeah they played a huge part in, mainly channeled em's grief and witt. I wouldnt be listening to as the world turns or brain damage if i wasnt mesmerized by his humor and story telling. Plus with the lawsuit they had with aftermath its says they get 50% royalities for every master liscence?? Thats ALOT. And they were auctioniong off royalities a while back + the 8 mile vs spotify case they lost cause the court said there intentions were fishy. i dont know law but these guys were shady and i cant help but feel like theres more to the falling out then we know. So jeff says paul is a nobody who is basically ems handler. And paul in interviews also goes off like "we did this" or "i did this" and is constantly patting himself on the back for em's success. Its really weird. Everyone in em's team is weird as hell. Its pure luck that hes alive and hopefull well but its interesting to think after listening to SSM what would have happened to ems family in the event of his passing? His kids were so young would they have gotten anything? IDK i wonder if hes the one who signed an NDA because how come he doesnt talk about how he made his records and his writing process. Lol sorry for the rant idk where else to post this 😷 I get what you're saying, altho i would say Em owns his masters. I noticed what you're saying too, like Paul and the others always pat themselves on the back and want all the credit for Em's succes, which is not fair imo. I was also annoyed with Jeff Bass too lol. As for the NDA thing, Eminem had talked about his records or his writing process in interviews, so i don't think he signed one.Why wouldn't he be allowed to talk about his records tho? |
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Post by chika on Oct 11, 2024 12:17:28 GMT -5
Does anyone know if em owns his masters? With kanye going off the deep end ive been thinking about how these highly successful musicians are always surrounded by vultures and how quiet and shady ems camp is. Idk im in a bad mood as i write this but i listened to jeff bass's interviews and i couldnt help but be annoyed to how he contributes all of ems early success to... himself almost? Like yeah he was a nobody we groomed him he didnt have any musicality we had the vision blahblah ok and then being sad about not having credit when these guys became millionaires off of ems music which while yeah they played a huge part in, mainly channeled em's grief and witt. I wouldnt be listening to as the world turns or brain damage if i wasnt mesmerized by his humor and story telling. Plus with the lawsuit they had with aftermath its says they get 50% royalities for every master liscence?? Thats ALOT. And they were auctioniong off royalities a while back + the 8 mile vs spotify case they lost cause the court said there intentions were fishy. i dont know law but these guys were shady and i cant help but feel like theres more to the falling out then we know. So jeff says paul is a nobody who is basically ems handler. And paul in interviews also goes off like "we did this" or "i did this" and is constantly patting himself on the back for em's success. Its really weird. Everyone in em's team is weird as hell. Its pure luck that hes alive and hopefull well but its interesting to think after listening to SSM what would have happened to ems family in the event of his passing? His kids were so young would they have gotten anything? IDK i wonder if hes the one who signed an NDA because how come he doesnt talk about how he made his records and his writing process. Lol sorry for the rant idk where else to post this 😷 I get what you're saying, altho i would say Em owns his masters. I noticed what you're saying too, like Paul and the others always pat themselves on the back and want all the credit for Em's succes, which is not fair imo. I was also annoyed with Jeff Bass too lol. As for the NDA thing, Eminem had talked about his records or his writing process in interviews, so i don't think he signed one.Why wouldn't he be allowed to talk about his records tho? I sure hope he owns his masters. I meant the NDA thing in a sarcastic way because in his paul pod ep i felt like he wasnt really allowed to get into his music so much? Like i wanted to know more about how he wrote Darkness rather than just why he wrote that or like the comments he used to leave on genius like i am mostly into em for HIS WRITING alot of my fav em songs have really basic production but are carried by his lyrics and delivery like no apologies. It sucks and kind of worries me how he doesnt talk about his work more. Another thing, jake bass said his fav beat of his dad's is rock bottom and em talked about how he had a record deal fall through when he was recording that song and he almost killed himself after recording it. Production or not that song is what it is because of how raw em is on it. I could listen to it acapella and it would give me chills. And then jeff was talking about how amazing it is for him to hear people singing the words to lose yourself and how it impacted peoples lives and whatever again thats EM'S song. It goes absolutely insane lyrically the rhyme schemes the storytelling the parallels between jimmy smith and his life. Ems only talked a little bit about his process for that song and i would kill to know more from his side you know? Similarly these guys talk about songs like kim and bonnie and clyde like theyre their masterpieces when like yeah but idt ems incredibly proud of those songs and they are amazing because they channel HIS PAIN. Idk i think its the personal nature of his music that really grinds my gears to hear people take credit for it. Writers and producers talk about working on theyre hits all the time. But em's music good or bad is so him its so carried by his writing his delievery and his charm that its insanely irritating that everyones yapping about it but him and idk why. I hope he releases another the way i am style book or something. |
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Post by antoniaalex18 on Oct 11, 2024 12:34:34 GMT -5
I get what you're saying, altho i would say Em owns his masters. I noticed what you're saying too, like Paul and the others always pat themselves on the back and want all the credit for Em's succes, which is not fair imo. I was also annoyed with Jeff Bass too lol. As for the NDA thing, Eminem had talked about his records or his writing process in interviews, so i don't think he signed one.Why wouldn't he be allowed to talk about his records tho? I sure hope he owns his masters. I meant the NDA thing in a sarcastic way because in his paul pod ep i felt like he wasnt really allowed to get into his music so much? Like i wanted to know more about how he wrote Darkness rather than just why he wrote that or like the comments he used to leave on genius like i am mostly into em for HIS WRITING alot of my fav em songs have really basic production but are carried by his lyrics and delivery like no apologies. It sucks and kind of worries me how he doesnt talk about his work more. Another thing, jake bass said his fav beat of his dad's is rock bottom and em talked about how he had a record deal fall through when he was recording that song and he almost killed himself after recording it. Production or not that song is what it is because of how raw em is on it. I could listen to it acapella and it would give me chills. And then jeff was talking about how amazing it is for him to hear people singing the words to lose yourself and how it impacted peoples lives and whatever again thats EM'S song. It goes absolutely insane lyrically the rhyme schemes the storytelling the parallels between jimmy smith and his life. Ems only talked a little bit about his process for that song and i would kill to know more from his side you know? Similarly these guys talk about songs like kim and bonnie and clyde like theyre their masterpieces when like yeah but idt ems incredibly proud of those songs and they are amazing because they channel HIS PAIN. Idk i think its the personal nature of his music that really grinds my gears to hear people take credit for it. Writers and producers talk about working on theyre hits all the time. But em's music good or bad is so him its so carried by his writing his delievery and his charm that its insanely irritating that everyones yapping about it but him and idk why. I hope he releases another the way i am style book or something. I feel you 100%, i was drawn to Eminem and became a fan bc of his rawness in his music and his writing, like storytelling and all that. He has that something special that makes his music amazing,my opinion. I love more his personal songs, above the others. The Paul Pod was weird, i think that too and i feel like Paul is controlling idk, but Em talked about his writing process on other occasions. Like i remember him talking about Darkness on Crook's Corner (love that interview) or how he connects the words from the paper. He should talk about it more, but maybe he doesn't remember much about his early ones bc of his drug usage, just my guess, like how he said there was another version of Lose Yourself which he has no idea how that came about. I also was annoyed by Jeff Bass, more by his entitlement if i can call it that, like he thinks ppl like the songs he did just bc of his production or gives himself a little too much credit, when in reality, those songs were carried by Eminem. Tbh i don't think Em is that proud of Kim or 97 Bonnie and Clyde now, since they're some very cruel songs..but yeah,they're HIS songs. As much as those songs are his, they're also the production's team songs too yk? Like if they want to talk about them, they can do it..it's annoying but it's a little insight anyway. Hope he releases another book like The Way I Am too, i liked that book. |
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Post by chika on Oct 11, 2024 13:13:45 GMT -5
I sure hope he owns his masters. I meant the NDA thing in a sarcastic way because in his paul pod ep i felt like he wasnt really allowed to get into his music so much? Like i wanted to know more about how he wrote Darkness rather than just why he wrote that or like the comments he used to leave on genius like i am mostly into em for HIS WRITING alot of my fav em songs have really basic production but are carried by his lyrics and delivery like no apologies. It sucks and kind of worries me how he doesnt talk about his work more. Another thing, jake bass said his fav beat of his dad's is rock bottom and em talked about how he had a record deal fall through when he was recording that song and he almost killed himself after recording it. Production or not that song is what it is because of how raw em is on it. I could listen to it acapella and it would give me chills. And then jeff was talking about how amazing it is for him to hear people singing the words to lose yourself and how it impacted peoples lives and whatever again thats EM'S song. It goes absolutely insane lyrically the rhyme schemes the storytelling the parallels between jimmy smith and his life. Ems only talked a little bit about his process for that song and i would kill to know more from his side you know? Similarly these guys talk about songs like kim and bonnie and clyde like theyre their masterpieces when like yeah but idt ems incredibly proud of those songs and they are amazing because they channel HIS PAIN. Idk i think its the personal nature of his music that really grinds my gears to hear people take credit for it. Writers and producers talk about working on theyre hits all the time. But em's music good or bad is so him its so carried by his writing his delievery and his charm that its insanely irritating that everyones yapping about it but him and idk why. I hope he releases another the way i am style book or something. I feel you 100%, i was drawn to Eminem and became a fan bc of his rawness in his music and his writing, like storytelling and all that. He has that something special that makes his music amazing,my opinion. I love more his personal songs, above the others. The Paul Pod was weird, i think that too and i feel like Paul is controlling idk, but Em talked about his writing process on other occasions. Like i remember him talking about Darkness on Crook's Corner (love that interview) or how he connects the words from the paper. He should talk about it more, but maybe he doesn't remember much about his early ones bc of his drug usage, just my guess, like how he said there was another version of Lose Yourself which he has no idea how that came about. I also was annoyed by Jeff Bass, more by his entitlement if i can call it that, like he thinks ppl like the songs he did just bc of his production or gives himself a little too much credit, when in reality, those songs were carried by Eminem. Tbh i don't think Em is that proud of Kim or 97 Bonnie and Clyde now, since they're some very cruel songs..but yeah,they're HIS songs. As much as those songs are his, they're also the production's team songs too yk? Like if they want to talk about them, they can do it..it's annoying but it's a little insight anyway. Hope he releases another book like The Way I Am too, i liked that book. i just saw like this interview clip of jeff being condescending as hell like "em didn't know what a snare was.. cleaning out my closet was the first song we let him produce..." when em has talked about how he came up with the bass line for the way i am himself. and then i read this interview of his:(2001) Fridge Magazine w/ D12 (#00011) Pt.2 The Fridge: Is this the first album that you’ve executive produced? Eminem: (With) the job title, yeah. But nothing has changed from my first album to this one, besides maybe I’m more hands-on. But, I’ve always been hands-on with both of my albums. I was in the studio, you know, writing and producing the shit. I wouldn’t shit on my production company, because they’re the guys who gave me the start in this business. Without them, I wouldn’t be here right now. But I could honestly say that on the first two albums, I didn’t get the proper credit I deserved as far as producing, but shit is better now, I’m more in control of things as far as production goes and shit like that. I still work with the Bass Brothers, but now the proper titles and credits are given on everything and riders and all that shit is distributed more fairly. As far as my albums, I came up with “Criminal,” Anything that Dre didn’t produce on my last two albums, I produced, aside from the song “Kim,” which Mark and Jeff produced themselves. They just did the track and I liked it. As far as the rest of the shit, I was in there, hands-on. The Fridge: Who were the producers on the D12 album?Eminem: Me, Denine, and Head. The way it works is like this…Head’s the go-to man for drum sounds. Usually, I’ll make the pattern or sometimes Head will make the pattern. Then, we go from there. I usually start thinking of bass lines and riffs and shit like that. Denine brings a lot of tracks to the table. He’s got a couple tracks on this album that he produced by himself. As far as outside production, Dre’s got three tracks on this record.link: www.youtube.com/post/UgkxM9Jp0PaEBqViUEX2PSsCGurrn0IHBs_Jso theyre clearly shady in how they hand out credits. and maybe em felt a certain way about that. and then again the publishing company seems to hold alot of rights to his music and its lame seeing all these headline talking about em loosing his case against spotify when his team says he literally only found out about the case after it hit the news so if they were making some money off of him there clearly he isnt seeing any of that. then again he did credit jeff bass on houdini so who knows. i just thing it would be really cool if everyone stopped pouting about what em owes them |
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