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Post by matty on Feb 3, 2022 8:34:59 GMT -5
Yes and same argument can be for Jay z who got in on his first go…and what about the beastie boys? I don’t think there is a bias here. Between his dedication, skills and influence he deserved this and one can argue that there will never be a right time. Instead of bashing Em why doesn’t he write an article about how tribe called quest deserves it and highlight their success? It’s not like Em parades himself at every award show. He deserves to finally be proud of a 20 plus year where he was always respectful of the pioneers. It’s not like he is Royce who publicly dissed big daddy Kane and Rick Rubin for no reason. My point is yes there are many artists in many generes that deserve to be inducted maybe some more deserving than em…idk but since he is nominated why take away that once in a lifetime achievement/moment where I’m sure he will continue to use his platform to advocate for others deserving? Because according to this article there will be never a time where Em can just celebrate his success with his team/fans And knowing how he is he will spend he acceptance speech thanking every pioneer before him. Like all I’m saying when can u have a moment where the industry (not just fans his fans) celebrate his contributions without feeling like the worst person ever I get what you are saying matty, and to be honest this is part of what Marshall has to navigate being part of a mostly Black genre and he knows this, which is also what makes him a great artist and human—that he sticks it out even though he is constantly criticized. What he is experiencing is what Black and Brown people have shouldered for nearly 400 years in this country (America), not being valued for their contributions. I 100% believe Marshall deserves to be nominated and inducted. The industry, I believe, has no qualms with Marshall, but in my opinion, the Hip Hop side of the industry feels threatened by him and what he represents for the culture. For years they have seen White artists be heralded for what they created. There was a time when people said Hip Hop made no sense and it would not last. Then people like Salt-N-Pepa, Tupac and Kid 'N Play came in and changed the game and made it marketable. Then Marshall took it to the next level and made it marketable to a broader audience. I get your frustration and I wished Hip Hop embraced him more. To be honest, I think that is a big part of why he is a recluse. When he wasn't sober, he spent a lot of time hanging with people in the culture. And as we know, alcohol gives you courage. So what that tells me is Marshall wants to frantinize with all these people, but he just does not feel welcome. To me, that is the greatest travesty that he can not get the respect that he deserves from some people within the Hip Hop community. And as we know, he always says all he wants is the respect, not the awards. Just my two cents. By the way, please do not take anything I say as a challenge or argument. It's just a topic I am passionate about. But I totally get what you are saying, because I almost lost my marbles when I sat in on a Clubhouse rant from Dave Mays and Benzino, people who just have a vendetta against Marshall. I blame people like them for Marshall hiding out all the time. I actually listened to people say they wish he would go away and not take up space from "Black" artists and one Black guy was like why, he doesn't do anything but drop an album and disappear. Marshall truly loves Hip Hop and the sad part about it, sometimes I think Hip Hop doesn't love him back equally. He has changed the landscape and put more eyes on other artists, but for some that's just not enough. Unfortunately, I think he is shouldering the burden of what decades of racial oppression has created. Regarding The Beastie Boys, I don't think they pose a threat because they are heavily Rock influenced. Marshall makes it clear he loves old school Hip Hop and that is his influence and he has mastered it in a way many have not and will not be able to do. I only skimmed but honestly if all these ppl feel like Em doesn’t belong in this industry then maybe they shouldn’t use his name for clout, beg to get him on a verse (or throw a hissy for like 20 years like snoop dogg did) or try and attach their name to him every way possible while still showing disrespect. You can’t have ur cake and eat it too. That’s what pissed me off about the snoop situation and it’s perfect analogy with em in the industry. You publically bash him, essentially say he doesn’t deserve his success but then you will spend the next year bragging that you have an Em verse…and Em shuts up because he does understand his impact But Em has been playing that role for years because he does understand his privileges and wants the world to respect hip hop artists. But there does come a time where he deserves a little acknowledgment for achievements. Snoop had his Hollywood Walk of fame moment…50 too…doesn’t mean neither dont deserve the rock and roll hall of fame as well but why can’t Em simply have one moment where ppl look back at his career and say damn. And then he can continue (as always) to advocate for ppl like salt n pepper Like Dre said whether ppl like it or not Em helped popularize rap and took a lot of shit while doing it from all angles. And I get why. That’s not lost on me but there really comes a time where he is allowed to have his moment. Or should we just wait till he is dead? And I guarantee Em low keys wants this eventually or he wouldn’t have referenced the rock and roll hall of fame in his music for so long. Em has a habit of doing that shit
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Post by thisman85 on Feb 3, 2022 12:52:58 GMT -5
Ok...so I see that there us a fan vote and you can only vote once a day. So I voted from my 3 emails. Also, Em currently stands at #4! WTF? He should be #1. How is Duran Duran beating him? Pat Benatar? Is she still alive? Ok, Dolly Parton I get (I love her. She is a national treasure)...but she can be #2 AFTER Em. Let's not forget that this the Rock & Roll hall of fame, even pop stars are really eager and proud to be acknowledged but you have to pay your respect to the old ones (that's all about actually) when Madonna was inducted she chose Iggy Pop & The Stooges to perform because she thought they deserved it before her. The New York Dolls and MC5 (another Detroit band) were essential and highly influential to the birth of punk . Dionne Warwick was THE singer of the 60s and she's adored by musicians. I mean all of these artists deserve to be there as well as Em, it's not a popularity contest. I really think he may have a chance but It wouldn't bother me if he's not elected the first time, he's still young and relevant. Perfectly said! Rage against the machine is on there as well and was a MASSIVE influence in the hardcore/punk rock scene. Both Beck and a Tribe called quest are nominated as well.I wouldn't be upset if Em lost because there's a lot of people on there that really deserve it as well. Tribe was a huge influence on Em as well. So, it may hurt Em if he were to beat the same people that influenced his success.
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Post by vickvaporub on Feb 3, 2022 12:57:30 GMT -5
Articles like this drive me crazy When is Em ever able to freely celebrate his hard work/success? He dedicated his whole life to music/rap and is talented and ground breaking. Yes there are others that deserve to be in the hall of fame but that doesn’t mean Em doesn’t and will there ever be a good time for Em to celebrate his achievements? And be proud according to this article? Em is one of the most humble artists ever. Idk I’m not saying he deserves every award etc…but he does deserve this and he deserves to be proud even if just for a day without feeling guilty Also where was the same energy when the beastie boys were inducted Still the "Media scapegoat who they can be mad at today" 😒 Still using his name and photo for clicks and interactions
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Post by matty on Feb 3, 2022 13:59:41 GMT -5
People are ridiculous
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Post by matty on Feb 3, 2022 15:01:54 GMT -5
Seems like Paul had enough
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Post by sophiemom on Feb 3, 2022 16:27:28 GMT -5
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Post by matty on Feb 3, 2022 20:28:38 GMT -5
Can’t Ems “friends” just say congrats!! To Em and keep it moving. Just say congrats and that ur proud of him. There’s always “but” “ands” when it comes to Em
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Post by annie18 on Feb 3, 2022 20:36:08 GMT -5
I was checking last year results of the fan vote and Jay Z wasn't even in the top five as well as Todd Rundgreen and they were inducted the same so at the end the industry vote has the last word. I don't pay attention to those malicious articles and if Em is indeed selected I don't see why he would reject that honour, he deserves it. He worked really hard throughout his career and always respected the hip hop pioneers.
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Post by matty on Feb 3, 2022 20:54:54 GMT -5
You know Twitter has really ruined the perception of Em. It’s bizarre because they really live in their own crazy town and convince you that you are crazy.
I hope Ems team doesn’t gaslight him into thinking twitters opinion of him is what the world does. It’s easy to get sucked into what a random nut job thinks about him and act like they swoop in to save Em when Em is busy preparing for the super bowl
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Post by annie18 on Feb 3, 2022 21:06:47 GMT -5
You know Twitter has really ruined the perception of Em. It’s bizarre because they really live in their own crazy town and convince you that you are crazy. I hope Ems team doesn’t gaslight him into thinking twitters opinion of him is what the world does. It’s easy to get sucked into what a random nut job thinks about him and act like they swoop in to save Em when Em is busy preparing for the super bowl I stopped looking up twitter , I only have the notifications on for certain accounts. People there want to pick up a fight everytime Em's name is mentioned; it's toxic asf . I don't even read Rolling Stone and Pitchfork anymore, they're too biased in their reviews.
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Post by matty on Feb 3, 2022 21:12:28 GMT -5
You know Twitter has really ruined the perception of Em. It’s bizarre because they really live in their own crazy town and convince you that you are crazy. I hope Ems team doesn’t gaslight him into thinking twitters opinion of him is what the world does. It’s easy to get sucked into what a random nut job thinks about him and act like they swoop in to save Em when Em is busy preparing for the super bowl I stopped looking up twitter , I only have the notifications on for certain accounts. People there want to pick up a fight everytime Em's name is mentioned; it's toxic asf . I don't even read Rolling Stone and Pitchfork anymore, they're too biased in their reviews. Yeah I think I’m going to limit my Em intake on there except to post cute and positive stuff
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Post by me on Feb 4, 2022 6:18:37 GMT -5
Em has jumped to second place! 🎉💪🏻
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Post by alphagirl01 on Feb 4, 2022 9:04:09 GMT -5
Marshall sells millions of records, how does he have less than 100,000 votes? Does Pat Benatar even make music anymore? Though she had a few great songs I loved!
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Post by matty on Feb 4, 2022 11:38:12 GMT -5
Marshall sells millions of records, how does he have less than 100,000 votes? Does Pat Benatar even make music anymore? Though she had a few great songs I loved! I think if Em were to post it on his Instagram it would be a different story which again proves my theory that Twitter really doesn’t compare to his overall fan base because I’m sure the majority of his “every day fans” don’t even know he is nominated or don’t realize they can vote. Because there would be a lot more in comparison to his sales and streams if they did know.. Like someone noted Jay z wasn’t even in the top five in comparison and he has a massive following as well (after further research he was dead last so keep that in mind) For example I guarantee the majority of my friends don’t know they can vote for the rock and roll hall of fame and that the noms were even out (I had no idea you could vote until last year if I’m being honest). My friend is a big dolly fan but she didn’t know she was nominated until I texted her the other day. So it seems like it’s people who are watching the news and knew to vote that way or something similar. So Ems “every day fans” might not even know until Em posts something on his Instagram and then they would be like “oh cool!” And vote. But I guess Em knows that would be kind of messed up because he has a much bigger social media following than Duran Duran even tho they have a strong dedicated fan base. Last time I checked I don’t think even Dolly posted about it because she has a strong social media precense too Usually these awards focus on older generations where the younger fans don’t participate and most of Em fans are millenials - or generation x or even younger. So that’s also a reason why pat had a head start-she is technically a boomer. I guarantee their fans were watching the early news and voted. There’s a whole world outside of social media and I think people forget that. So if Em doesn’t post about it I guarantee his fans that aren’t necessarily stans aren’t even going to know until later. I’m talking about fans who follow his career but aren’t fighting off Twitter people lolll and knowing his date of birth like our crazy asses lol
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Post by alphagirl01 on Feb 4, 2022 12:46:29 GMT -5
Marshall sells millions of records, how does he have less than 100,000 votes? Does Pat Benatar even make music anymore? Though she had a few great songs I loved! I think if Em were to post it on his Instagram it would be a different story which again proves my theory that Twitter really doesn’t compare to his overall fan base because I’m sure the majority of his “every day fans” don’t even know he is nominated or don’t realize they can vote. Because there would be a lot more in comparison to his sales and streams if they did know.. Like someone noted Jay z wasn’t even in the top five in comparison and he has a massive following as well (after further research he was dead last so keep that in mind) For example I guarantee the majority of my friends don’t know they can vote for the rock and roll hall of fame and that the noms were even out (I had no idea you could vote until last year if I’m being honest). My friend is a big dolly fan but she didn’t know she was nominated until I texted her the other day. So it seems like it’s people who are watching the news and knew to vote that way or something similar. So Ems “every day fans” might not even know until Em posts something on his Instagram and then they would be like “oh cool!” And vote. But I guess Em knows that would be kind of messed up because he has a much bigger social media following than Duran Duran even tho they have a strong dedicated fan base. Last time I checked I don’t think even Dolly posted about it because she has a strong social media precense too Usually these awards focus on older generations where the younger fans don’t participate and most of Em fans are millenials - or generation x or even younger. So that’s also a reason why pat had a head start-she is technically a boomer. I guarantee their fans were watching the early news and voted. There’s a whole world outside of social media and I think people forget that. So if Em doesn’t post about it I guarantee his fans that aren’t necessarily stans aren’t even going to know until later. I’m talking about fans who follow his career but aren’t fighting off Twitter people lolll and knowing his date of birth like our crazy asses lol LOL! I am so tempted to go to his Instagram and just put the link on a post of his every day, but unfortunately my Instagram is really me and my colleagues would be like WTF! I think the industry vote is what counts that is why Jay-Z got inducted and I know there are hip hop people on that industry panel.
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