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Post by tcat on Aug 14, 2016 23:32:05 GMT -5
What's the difference between that and gay? And queer is an acceptable term but fag is not. Go figure. I'm kind of done with political correctness. Actually, I've been done with it for a long time. Yeah, I thought queer was politically incorrect too. I can't keep up. |
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Post by matty on Aug 14, 2016 23:35:09 GMT -5
What's the difference between that and gay? And queer is an acceptable term but fag is not. Go figure. I'm kind of done with political correctness. Actually, I've been done with it for a long time. 1) An umbrella term sometimes used by LGBTQA people to refer to the entire LGBT community. 2) An alternative that some people use to "queer" the idea of the labels and categories such as lesbian, gay, bisexual, etc. Similar to the concept of genderqueer. It is important to note that the word queer is an in-group term, and a word that can be considered offensive to some people, depending on their generation, geographic location, and relationship with the word. im not huge into labels but if someone identifies as something then I feel like its important to respect that and be knowledgable about the topic tbh. |
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Post by kat531 on Aug 15, 2016 6:17:09 GMT -5
What's the difference between that and gay? And queer is an acceptable term but fag is not. Go figure. I'm kind of done with political correctness. Actually, I've been done with it for a long time. 1) An umbrella term sometimes used by LGBTQA people to refer to the entire LGBT community. 2) An alternative that some people use to "queer" the idea of the labels and categories such as lesbian, gay, bisexual, etc. Similar to the concept of genderqueer. It is important to note that the word queer is an in-group term, and a word that can be considered offensive to some people, depending on their generation, geographic location, and relationship with the word. im not huge into labels but if someone identifies as something then I feel like its important to respect that and be knowledgable about the topic tbh. Wait, now there's an "A" attached to the end? What does THAT stand for? LMAOOOOO |
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Post by PlayMyJam on Aug 16, 2016 9:48:27 GMT -5
I actually agree with this because he is still seen as homophobic. As long as he still uses faggot as an insult he will be seen as that. I know he always explains it as a street insult but I assure you the LGBTQ community does not buy that. To them faggot will always be a derogatory insult direct at them. Then again the NFL probably does not give a crap about the opinions of the LGBTQ community. IMO The acronym just gets longer and longer, lmao. So what does the "Q" stand for? What matty said. It also refers to "questioning", those who question their sexual orientation. "Queer" is a charged term with a bad history because it's been used as a slur for so long. As such, many members of the community do not like this term and do not want to be referred to by this term. |
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Post by PlayMyJam on Aug 16, 2016 9:56:53 GMT -5
1) An umbrella term sometimes used by LGBTQA people to refer to the entire LGBT community. 2) An alternative that some people use to "queer" the idea of the labels and categories such as lesbian, gay, bisexual, etc. Similar to the concept of genderqueer. It is important to note that the word queer is an in-group term, and a word that can be considered offensive to some people, depending on their generation, geographic location, and relationship with the word. im not huge into labels but if someone identifies as something then I feel like its important to respect that and be knowledgable about the topic tbh. Wait, now there's an "A" attached to the end? What does THAT stand for? LMAOOOOO Asexual. I mean, I am not too crazy about labels but they are very important to many people so it is to be respected, I agree. And I also think this is one of the reasons why Em can be seen as controversial as back in the day, though not for the same reasons. He is not seen as a controversial individual anymore but his lyrics are seen as, eh, old-fashioned and dated, in lack of a better word. Dated in a way that renders them unusable for big events such as stadiums with general public. While I do think that Em is at least 99% talk and no bite it's not seen like this among general public, I think. That being said, there are perfectly acceptable songs to perform. Though Em himself is seen as this raging homophobe so this might be a problem. Not to mention the problem of Em not wanting to perform at such events, lol. EDIT: A can also stand for agender and aromantic. |
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Post by matty on Aug 16, 2016 11:46:25 GMT -5
Wait, now there's an "A" attached to the end? What does THAT stand for? LMAOOOOO Asexual. I mean, I am not too crazy about labels but they are very important to many people so it is to be respected, I agree. And I also think this is one of the reasons why Em can be seen as controversial as back in the day, though not for the same reasons. He is not seen as a controversial individual anymore but his lyrics are seen as, eh, old-fashioned and dated, in lack of a better word. Dated in a way that renders them unusable for big events such as stadiums with general public. While I do think that Em is at least 99% talk and no bite it's not seen like this among general public, I think. That being said, there are perfectly acceptable songs to perform. Though Em himself is seen as this raging homophobe so this might be a problem. Not to mention the problem of Em not wanting to perform at such events, lol. EDIT: A can also stand for agender and aromantic. 100% agree with everything |
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Post by kat531 on Aug 16, 2016 17:50:40 GMT -5
Wait, now there's an "A" attached to the end? What does THAT stand for? LMAOOOOO Asexual. I mean, I am not too crazy about labels but they are very important to many people so it is to be respected, I agree. And I also think this is one of the reasons why Em can be seen as controversial as back in the day, though not for the same reasons. He is not seen as a controversial individual anymore but his lyrics are seen as, eh, old-fashioned and dated, in lack of a better word. Dated in a way that renders them unusable for big events such as stadiums with general public. While I do think that Em is at least 99% talk and no bite it's not seen like this among general public, I think. That being said, there are perfectly acceptable songs to perform. Though Em himself is seen as this raging homophobe so this might be a problem. Not to mention the problem of Em not wanting to perform at such events, lol. EDIT: A can also stand for agender and aromantic. Sad thing is that I'm even a social worker, lol. Of course I seek to use the terms people of a particular group prefer. I've just become overly saturated with the politically correct social consciousness that has completely permeated all aspects of culture in the U.S.--to the point that people on the political left now want to censor media (including art) to conform to the current P.C. culture. The left extremists have traded places with the extreme conservatives of the past. It gets annoying. Actually, the whole field of social work gets on my nerves at times for the same reasons. Okay, not much to do with Em, lol... except people want him to conform with the P.C. culture too. I really kind of hope he never does, haha. Just to show people that he doesn't have to. |
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Post by PlayMyJam on Aug 16, 2016 20:27:41 GMT -5
Asexual. I mean, I am not too crazy about labels but they are very important to many people so it is to be respected, I agree. And I also think this is one of the reasons why Em can be seen as controversial as back in the day, though not for the same reasons. He is not seen as a controversial individual anymore but his lyrics are seen as, eh, old-fashioned and dated, in lack of a better word. Dated in a way that renders them unusable for big events such as stadiums with general public. While I do think that Em is at least 99% talk and no bite it's not seen like this among general public, I think. That being said, there are perfectly acceptable songs to perform. Though Em himself is seen as this raging homophobe so this might be a problem. Not to mention the problem of Em not wanting to perform at such events, lol. EDIT: A can also stand for agender and aromantic. Sad thing is that I'm even a social worker, lol. Of course I seek to use the terms people of a particular group prefer. I've just become overly saturated with the politically correct social consciousness that has completely permeated all aspects of culture in the U.S.--to the point that people on the political left now want to censor media (including art) to conform to the current P.C. culture. The left extremists have traded places with the extreme conservatives of the past. It gets annoying. Actually, the whole field of social work gets on my nerves at times for the same reasons. Okay, not much to do with Em, lol... except people want him to conform with the P.C. culture too. I really kind of hope he never does, haha. Just to show people that he doesn't have to. This is such a sensitive subject.... Personally, I care about context more than words themselves, even though I understand words are powerful and can be used and abused. I do get that. I just see that context is always more important and it's context that gives the word its meaning. As such, focusing too much on terms themselves may not be the best way to battle things as homophobia, sexism, racism. On the other hand, I do respect people who care about these things and I understand the logic behind it. I mean, on a basic level, it's a common courtesy. Do not call me X if I don't want to be called like that. It doesn't even have to go deep as to identity politics... It applies to the smallest things, like not using a nickname a person hates, etc. It starts with that. As such, I do think it's basic respect and courtesy to call people the way they want to be called. It's ok to make an honest mistake but not to be mean on purpose. I think people see Em as being mean on purpose. I don't think it comes from the deep hatred for these groups but from Em's need to be edgy or whatever. The thing is, that stuff was edgy and rebellious at one point but the context has changed. I still think it's worse to actually feel and do bad things than to say offensive words but I do understand how the other side feels. It's not so much about whether Em is this huge hater who wishes ill to people who are not like him... It's more that he sticks to his old, dated ways that just make him seem like a fool, and proud to be so. Idk. I do think some of the stuff he says in his songs is not cool anymore, not that it was ever cool but it def dates him in ways that does not necessarily benefit him. Though again, the whole discussion is meaningless because I don't see him wanting to be invited at those big events anyway. Maybe with a new album or something? Especially if there is some sort of an image rebranding like it was during Recovery? But it just seems like too much effort and I don't think Em wants to give any effort into that. Not anymore, at least. (But again, you never know). Idk if this rambling made any sense but hopefully you get what I mean. |
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Post by nelly on Aug 16, 2016 22:21:26 GMT -5
Would be cool if Em performed at the Superbowl! He's a big football fan so you'd think that he would love to be part of such a legendary event. It must be super stressful though because all eyes are on you and people are quick to compare and criticize. I don't know if his sensitive ego could take the criticism lol.
The question is will they ever let a rapper do a full set at the Superbowl. The audience responded really well to Missy Elliott's performance (she completely upstaged Katy Perry IMO) so maybe there is hope. Em has great energy on stage but I feel like people want to be entertained with choreography and all that extra stuff. Beyonce ruined it for everyone else!
As for his use of the F word, the songs that contain that word are not really mainstream hits so I don't think that's the first thing people in the general public associate him with. I also think he has reached a legend status that allows him to get away with certain things.
In an ideal world everyone would respect everybody's race, religion and sexual orientation but let's be real that's not the case. I'm not saying it's right but policing everybody's vocabulary has a tendency to turn some people off even more and create resentment. Forcing people to use or avoid a specific terminology is not going to eliminate the underlying issues associated with the words. The political correctness paints a false picture of acceptance and has a counterproductive effect IMO. There are a lot of people from Em's generation and older who grew up with a different interpretation of the F word. They just won't accept that the word is now branded as homophobic and resent the implication. I think Em made it clear he belongs in that category.
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Post by kat531 on Aug 16, 2016 22:22:25 GMT -5
Yeah, makes sense, PlayMyJam. I was just going off on a rather misguided rant. It's all a rather sore subject for me as you can tell. A lot of it comes from bad graduate school experience, where we were taught to be so accepting of diversity when the dept. and professors clearly were not accepting of the majority culture (of which I was a part). It reeked of hypocrisy. The mainstream/ majority is not always the enemy! Anyway, as you say, all this is likely a mute point anyway, as Eminem may not even be alive. If he is, he may have no plan to come out of hiatus or get back in the spotlight. And even if he us releasing an album, I don't see him having the energy or desire to hit the road, hyping things up. And even if he does, it's unlikely he'd ever do a Super Bowl performance. |
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Post by kat531 on Aug 16, 2016 22:31:34 GMT -5
Em uses the word faggot on purpose IMO. He knows people are going to react and get mad. Em's a giant troll after all. He likes stirring the pot and creating contraversy. Pretty sure it comes from his battle rapping days, where you want to insult your opponent and get a reaction out of the crowd. That's how you win a battle. He's not dumb. He knows what it means.
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Post by tcat on Aug 16, 2016 22:57:48 GMT -5
Yeah, makes sense, PlayMyJam . I was just going off on a rather misguided rant. It's all a rather sore subject for me as you can tell. A lot of it comes from bad graduate school experience, where we were taught to be so accepting of diversity when the dept. and professors clearly were not accepting of the majority culture (of which I was a part). It reeked of hypocrisy. The mainstream/ majority is not always the enemy! Anyway, as you say, all this is likely a mute point anyway, as Eminem may not even be alive. If he is, he may have no plan to come out of hiatus or get back in the spotlight. And even if he us releasing an album, I don't see him having the energy or desire to hit the road, hyping things up. And even if he does, it's unlikely he'd ever do a Super Bowl performance. I'm with you and my jadedness comes from my time in grad school as well. Rank, rank hypocrisy. Grad school actually made me more "conservative", in a way. I used to be very liberal until I got into grad school and witnessed what I saw as a suppression of speech and ideas, as well as massive hypocrisy on the part of the liberal community. I have always considered myself open minded and tolerant of other people's beliefs, customs, opinion, etc. To each his own is my philosophy. But when you don't show me the same courtesy, I am not interested in what you have to say. If someone tells me that something I said or referred to them in a way that they didn't like, I will apologize and respect their wishes and call them what they prefer. However, I can't read people's minds and I am not being purposely hurtful so don't act all butt hurt and start calling me names. When people act like this, it makes me want to be like Em. If I refer to your same sex significant other as your partner and you prefer he be called your husband, don't call me a homophobic or start lecturing me on my "privilege". All that does is make me want to yell fag in your face. Cuz if you want to be offended by something, I'll give you something to actually be offended by. I would never really do this, but in my head I do. It's like Marshall Mathers LP. That album was all about giving people something to really be pissed off about. Let's just say, I can understand where Marshall was coming from. Not that I think he should continue to do those things now. He's too old for that shit. But I get it. |
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Post by kat531 on Aug 20, 2016 12:47:07 GMT -5
If Eminem doesn't make an announcement during the VMA's, I think I really will lose all hope for an album to be released any time in the foreseeable future. He has to have spent the last year holed up in his cave working on SOMETHING. Maybe he's planning on pulling a release a'la Compton. Announce a week before, drop exclusively on Apple streaming for a week or two, then release the physical album. Not the way I'd choose, but it might help explain things a bit better. I personally want the build up and hype and promos of a traditional album release, but again, beggars can't be choosers. ;-)
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Post by matty on Aug 20, 2016 19:43:32 GMT -5
If Eminem doesn't make an announcement during the VMA's, I think I really will lose all hope for an album to be released any time in the foreseeable future. He has to have spent the last year holed up in his cave working on SOMETHING. Maybe he's planning on pulling a release a'la Compton. Announce a week before, drop exclusively on Apple streaming for a week or two, then release the physical album. Not the way I'd choose, but it might help explain things a bit better. I personally want the build up and hype and promos of a traditional album release, but again, beggars can't be choosers. ;-) lol well we know he is alive... maybe something before the new year... |
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Post by matty on Aug 20, 2016 19:45:01 GMT -5
i dont know if its because britney's new album is kinda dark and sexy but now I kind of want Em's new shit to be kind of sexy...
bring it Emzy
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