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Post by matty on Jan 23, 2017 12:41:57 GMT -5
Never saw this before...
Damn Em really does live in a bubble. I think we are used to goofy Em especially now a days but i think this snippet really shows what it probably is like to work with him. Kind of walking on egg shells sometimes. I mean I am glad he eventually listened but if Em did that to me I would have probably pissed myself lol
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Post by GG102 on Jan 23, 2017 19:11:57 GMT -5
I like the segment when Blaze says "management" called him...As in Paul...mentioning that Blaze didn't give EM anything positive. I guess someone else's truth was hard to swallow....For EM. But EM was skeptical, because at first EM didn't take Blaze's opinion at face value; and then EM did his homework until he understood where Blaze was coming from and acquiesced. To me this signals that EM does his own analysis, makes his own decisions and then sends in his henchman, Paul...Sometimes!
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Post by nelly on Jan 23, 2017 21:19:41 GMT -5
I think it's always tricky to critique an artist's work while they are creating. Em is such a genius at what he does, people around him probably don't feel comfortable giving him negative feedback so he's not used to it (that's how Fack and Big Weenie ended up on his albums - sidenote, can you actually believe he released a song called big weenie haha I had to google it to make sure I didn't make it up). So much of his self worth is linked to his career and status in the hip hop community, any small criticism must feel like a personal attack. I mean, nobody likes to have their work criticized. In this case, he didn't really know Just Blaze so he must have felt like who the fuck are you to tell me what I'm doing wrong lol I think the fact that he went back and tried to figure out what he did wrong is endearing, it shows how much he cares about people liking his music, especially if it's a peer. He could have just let pride get in the way and dismissed Just Blaze's opinion.
The part that always creeps me out is that he doesn't talk to the people he collaborates with directly, it always has to go through his team. I get why he does it but it's still weird. I wonder how many people actually have his phone number and speak to him directly.
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Post by kat531 on Jan 23, 2017 21:29:06 GMT -5
He was probably shocked to hear someone critique him. And that's not easy for anyone I don't think. It hurts a little. But it shows Em is able to hear and accept feedback and still has humility. And of course he's obsessive so he had to listen to it 30 times. But I bet in the end he was grateful for it. I agree with GG102. He went through his critical thinking exercises. He definitely has got a mind of his own. I also think he's the one to call the shots when it comes to his music. And then Paul just gets blamed for everything, Lol. |
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Post by kat531 on Jan 23, 2017 21:33:27 GMT -5
I think it's always tricky to critique an artist's work while they are creating. Em is such a genius at what he does, people around him probably don't feel comfortable giving him negative feedback so he's not used to it (that's how Fack and Big Weenie ended up on his albums - sidenote, can you actually believe he released a song called big weenie haha I had to google it to make sure I didn't make it up). So much of his self worth is linked to his career and status in the hip hop community, any small criticism must feel like a personal attack. I mean, nobody likes to have their work criticized. In this case, he didn't really know Just Blaze so he must have felt like who the fuck are you to tell me what I'm doing wrong lol I think the fact that he went back and tried to figure out what he did wrong is endearing, it shows how much he cares about people liking his music, especially if it's a peer. He could have just let pride get in the way and dismissed Just Blaze's opinion. The part that always creeps me out is that he doesn't talk to the people he collaborates with directly, it always has to go through his team. I get why he does it but it's still weird. I wonder how many people actually have his phone number and speak to him directly. It may initially go through his team, but Em ends up talking directly to the artists he works with. He's just the one to call them--not the other way around, Lol. And a lot of times he'll be in the studio with them. He's not a total recluse. But I agree with the rest of your post. |
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Post by matty on Jan 23, 2017 21:46:51 GMT -5
I def think it's cool that Em took a step back and listened to blaze but the initial reaction threw me for a loop.
Like he didn't even think about it and kinda snapped at him and put his back toward him. He's been working with people his whole career...the whole "well he didn't know him," excuse just doesn't fly with me. I just think it shows how a) he def has yes men protecting his ego because he wouldn't be that shock to hear a small critique of his work if he didn't b) Em still has his little ego that he used to be known for that appears to have publically faded (and if I'm being honest here I kinda like his little attitude )lol
Additionally I find it interesting that Em mentioned that he has always been giving feedback and not the other way around...but what about Dre? Guess dude didn't mentor Em as much as people say he did
Also don't get me wrong. I'm glad Em was able to put his initial reaction aside to hear the critique but his sudden reaction is worriesome to me. Why did it take him 30 stubborn times to hear what blaze was saying
I kinda wonder if Em was just pissy because Paul and the rest of his team pushed him to use outside producers and he didn't really want to so he was already in a bad mood and took it out on Blaze lol
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Post by kat531 on Jan 23, 2017 22:12:55 GMT -5
I def think it's cool that Em took a step back and listened to blaze but the initial reaction threw me for a loop. Like he didn't even think about it and kinda snapped at him and put his back toward him. He's been working with people his whole career...the whole "well he didn't know him," excuse just doesn't fly with me. I just think it shows how a) he def has yes men protecting his ego because he wouldn't be that shock to hear a small critique of his work if he didn't b) Em still has his little ego that he used to be known for that appears to have publically faded (and if I'm being honest here I kinda like his little attitude )lol Additionally I find it interesting that Em mentioned that he has always been giving feedback and not the other way around...but what about Dre? Guess dude didn't mentor Em as much as people say he did Also don't get me wrong. I'm glad Em was able to put his initial reaction aside to hear the critique but his sudden reaction is worriesome to me. Why did it take him 30 stubborn times to hear what blaze was saying I kinda wonder if Em was just pissy because Paul and the rest of his team pushed him to use outside producers and he didn't really want to so he was already in a bad mood and took it out on Blaze lol Nah. I think you might be reading too much into things here. He was surprised to get the feedback and maybe a bit hurt--natural reactions imo. But he was able to take a step back and try to hear things from someone else's view. All very normal and then ultimately healthy way of behaving. No big deal imo. |
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Post by matty on Jan 23, 2017 22:25:29 GMT -5
I def think it's cool that Em took a step back and listened to blaze but the initial reaction threw me for a loop. Like he didn't even think about it and kinda snapped at him and put his back toward him. He's been working with people his whole career...the whole "well he didn't know him," excuse just doesn't fly with me. I just think it shows how a) he def has yes men protecting his ego because he wouldn't be that shock to hear a small critique of his work if he didn't b) Em still has his little ego that he used to be known for that appears to have publically faded (and if I'm being honest here I kinda like his little attitude )lol Additionally I find it interesting that Em mentioned that he has always been giving feedback and not the other way around...but what about Dre? Guess dude didn't mentor Em as much as people say he did Also don't get me wrong. I'm glad Em was able to put his initial reaction aside to hear the critique but his sudden reaction is worriesome to me. Why did it take him 30 stubborn times to hear what blaze was saying I kinda wonder if Em was just pissy because Paul and the rest of his team pushed him to use outside producers and he didn't really want to so he was already in a bad mood and took it out on Blaze lol Nah. I think you might be reading too much into things here. He was surprised to get the feedback and maybe a bit hurt--natural reactions imo. But he was able to take a step back and try to hear things from someone else's view. All very normal and then ultimately healthy way of behaving. No big deal imo. I just have to disagree lol Em's reaction was wrong and kind of rude and his team telling blaze "what he did wrong" speaks volumes. Imagine acting like that to coworkers when working on a project even if u were technically the boss But we can agree to disagree on this one lol |
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Post by tcat on Jan 24, 2017 0:18:03 GMT -5
Nah. I think you might be reading too much into things here. He was surprised to get the feedback and maybe a bit hurt--natural reactions imo. But he was able to take a step back and try to hear things from someone else's view. All very normal and then ultimately healthy way of behaving. No big deal imo. I just have to disagree lol Em's reaction was wrong and kind of rude and his team telling blaze "what he did wrong" speaks volumes. Imagine acting like that to coworkers when working on a project even if u were technically the boss But we can agree to disagree on this one lol I have actually seen this video before. I thought I saw it on here, but I guess not. Anyway...to the thing about Dre mentoring him or not, I think with Dre it is probably different. Meaning that any criticism Em gets from Dre, he sees and constructive and positive because Dre wants the best from him. I saw several interviews he did promoting Recovery where he talked about how he still works hard to impress Dre. Just Blaze is not his mentor so criticism coming from him is not received the same way. Blaze even alluded to that when he was telling the story, talking about how he has established relationships with the other artist he works with so he can make those criticisms and it is fine. The other thing is the comment on "what he did wrong", I don't think how Em received that or Paul telling him that he needed to add something positive to go with the negative is wrong. Just like Blaze said, you have to remember human psychology when dealing with people. I work in HR and have to coach managers all the time on how to provide feedback to their employees and this is exactly what you are supposed to do. It's called the "sandwich" process. You give positive feedback, then the constructive criticism, then positive feedback again. People are more receptive if you "sandwich" the negative stuff in between positive stuff. Otherwise, all they do is get defensive on the negative and make excuses for how you are wrong. I also have done years of Leadership training and this is standard training for anyone in a leadership role. Em going home and listening to it 30 times until he heard what Blaze said shows that he is open to criticism and also shows a real maturity about how he approaches his work. If I had a nickel for every employee that only received negative feedback and no positive, who ignored the feedback and continued to do the same shit, I would be rich and sipping a margarita on the beach right now. Most people, regardless of age and experience, are quite immature when it comes to getting constructive criticism unless handled appropriately. I agree with everything Blaze said. You have to remember humans can be very tricky animals to work with and must be handled with care.  |
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Post by matty on Jan 24, 2017 0:29:51 GMT -5
I just have to disagree lol Em's reaction was wrong and kind of rude and his team telling blaze "what he did wrong" speaks volumes. Imagine acting like that to coworkers when working on a project even if u were technically the boss But we can agree to disagree on this one lol I have actually seen this video before. I thought I saw it on here, but I guess not. Anyway...to the thing about Dre mentoring him or not, I think with Dre it is probably different. Meaning that any criticism Em gets from Dre, he sees and constructive and positive because Dre wants the best from him. I saw several interviews he did promoting Recovery where he talked about how he still works hard to impress Dre. Just Blaze is not his mentor so criticism coming from him is not received the same way. Blaze even alluded to that when he was telling the story, talking about how he has established relationships with the other artist he works with so he can make those criticisms and it is fine. The other thing is the comment on "what he did wrong", I don't think how Em received that or Paul telling him that he needed to add something positive to go with the negative is wrong. Just like Blaze said, you have to remember human psychology when dealing with people. I work in HR and have to coach managers all the time on how to provide feedback to their employees and this is exactly what you are supposed to do. It's called the "sandwich" process. You give positive feedback, then the constructive criticism, then positive feedback again. People are more receptive if you "sandwich" the negative stuff in between positive stuff. Otherwise, all they do is get defensive on the negative and make excuses for how you are wrong. I also have done years of Leadership training and this is standard training for anyone in a leadership role. Em going home and listening to it 30 times until he heard what Blaze said shows that he is open to criticism and also shows a real maturity about how he approaches his work. If I had a nickel for every employee that only received negative feedback and no positive, who ignored the feedback and continued to do the same shit, I would be rich and sipping a margarita on the beach right now. Most people, regardless of age and experience, are quite immature when it comes to getting constructive criticism unless handled appropriately. I agree with everything Blaze said. You have to remember humans can be very tricky animals to work with and must be handled with care. i get that there is a way to approach things with people but legit turning ur back on him and being like "i dont hear it," is just condensing especially if you hired this man to help u with your album and thats what he was doing. People dont hire HR to help them lol. Most employees dont give a fuck about their jobs and dont want hr in their business in the first place. But thats not the case for Em. Why hire someone to help you with your album if they are just allowed to kiss your ass? i get it though...people give Em the benefit of the doubt but i just think its weird behavior and confirms that he is used to yes men. I am glad though that after a second thought that he was able to see what blaze was saying. But I have to wonder if his team had to calm him down first or whatever. |
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Post by tcat on Jan 24, 2017 2:47:01 GMT -5
I have actually seen this video before. I thought I saw it on here, but I guess not. Anyway...to the thing about Dre mentoring him or not, I think with Dre it is probably different. Meaning that any criticism Em gets from Dre, he sees and constructive and positive because Dre wants the best from him. I saw several interviews he did promoting Recovery where he talked about how he still works hard to impress Dre. Just Blaze is not his mentor so criticism coming from him is not received the same way. Blaze even alluded to that when he was telling the story, talking about how he has established relationships with the other artist he works with so he can make those criticisms and it is fine. The other thing is the comment on "what he did wrong", I don't think how Em received that or Paul telling him that he needed to add something positive to go with the negative is wrong. Just like Blaze said, you have to remember human psychology when dealing with people. I work in HR and have to coach managers all the time on how to provide feedback to their employees and this is exactly what you are supposed to do. It's called the "sandwich" process. You give positive feedback, then the constructive criticism, then positive feedback again. People are more receptive if you "sandwich" the negative stuff in between positive stuff. Otherwise, all they do is get defensive on the negative and make excuses for how you are wrong. I also have done years of Leadership training and this is standard training for anyone in a leadership role. Em going home and listening to it 30 times until he heard what Blaze said shows that he is open to criticism and also shows a real maturity about how he approaches his work. If I had a nickel for every employee that only received negative feedback and no positive, who ignored the feedback and continued to do the same shit, I would be rich and sipping a margarita on the beach right now. Most people, regardless of age and experience, are quite immature when it comes to getting constructive criticism unless handled appropriately. I agree with everything Blaze said. You have to remember humans can be very tricky animals to work with and must be handled with care. i get that there is a way to approach things with people but legit turning ur back on him and being like "i dont hear it," is just condensing especially if you hired this man to help u with your album and thats what he was doing. People dont hire HR to help them lol. Most employees dont give a fuck about their jobs and dont want hr in their business in the first place. But thats not the case for Em. Why hire someone to help you with your album if they are just allowed to kiss your ass? i get it though...people give Em the benefit of the doubt but i just think its weird behavior and confirms that he is used to yes men. I am glad though that after a second thought that he was able to see what blaze was saying. But I have to wonder if his team had to calm him down first or whatever. Yeah, I don't know why you are shitting on my profession, but whatever. People come to me all the time looking for help in their job, as that is part of my job. I don't know where you work or what kind of work you do, but in my experience most people do care about their job and take a sense of pride in what they do. For most people, their career and "what they do for a living" is a big part of what defines them so they do seek out assistance from those who can provide it. Also, from the way he told the story it sounds like Em already had his back to him when Blaze made the comment. He turned around to say he didn't hear what he was talking about, and then Em turned back around to face the way he was originally. It's not like he was facing the guy and then turned his back on him when he criticized him. Blaze even demonstrated in the video how it went down. I don't disagree with you that Em is surrounded by yes men, but I don't know if that is his insistence or just people wanting to maintain access to him because of who he is. I suspect it is the latter. |
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Post by matty on Jan 24, 2017 2:51:36 GMT -5
i get that there is a way to approach things with people but legit turning ur back on him and being like "i dont hear it," is just condensing especially if you hired this man to help u with your album and thats what he was doing. People dont hire HR to help them lol. Most employees dont give a fuck about their jobs and dont want hr in their business in the first place. But thats not the case for Em. Why hire someone to help you with your album if they are just allowed to kiss your ass? i get it though...people give Em the benefit of the doubt but i just think its weird behavior and confirms that he is used to yes men. I am glad though that after a second thought that he was able to see what blaze was saying. But I have to wonder if his team had to calm him down first or whatever. Yeah, I don't know why you are shitting on my profession, but whatever. People come to me all the time looking for help in their job, as that is part of my job. I don't know where you work or what kind of work you do, but in my experience most people do care about their job and take a sense of pride in what they do. For most people, their career and "what they do for a living" is a big part of what defines them so they do seek out assistance from those who can provide it. Also, from the way he told the story it sounds like Em already had his back to him when Blaze made the comment. He turned around to say he didn't hear what he was talking about, and then Em turned back around to face the way he was originally. It's not like he was facing the guy and then turned his back on him when he criticized him. Blaze even demonstrated in the video how it went down. I don't disagree with you that Em is surrounded by yes men, but I don't know if that is his insistence or just people wanting to maintain access to him because of who he is. I suspect it is the latter. oh i didnt mean to shit on your profession! I am just saying a lot of workers dont care...a lot do mind you but some dont. I was just pointing out that Em hired him and I know a lot of people who just dont like their job so they dont listen to HR because they are apathetic or too frustrated. Nothing against HR more against certain employees or their positions that offer no room for growth and they are just their for a pay check. I am sorry if it came off wrong. and yes he turned to him but then turned his back again and blaze said he tried to explain himself and Em wasnt having it. It seemed like Em was coping an attitude-just look at the reaction from all the other producers on the panel-they were all like "oh shit..." And blaze was so freaked out about Em's demeanor that he thought he was going to get fired. . I am just saying you hired a dude to give you feedback and you coped an attitude when he gave you a critique. What was he expecting? complete praise? And I dont think Blaze should have to walk on egg shells to do his job you asked him to do |
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Post by Admin on Jan 24, 2017 3:14:49 GMT -5
It must be difficult to avoid the bubble when you're incredibly famous, you'd really have to be vigilant.
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Post by nelly on Jan 24, 2017 18:58:48 GMT -5
I think it's always tricky to critique an artist's work while they are creating. Em is such a genius at what he does, people around him probably don't feel comfortable giving him negative feedback so he's not used to it (that's how Fack and Big Weenie ended up on his albums - sidenote, can you actually believe he released a song called big weenie haha I had to google it to make sure I didn't make it up). So much of his self worth is linked to his career and status in the hip hop community, any small criticism must feel like a personal attack. I mean, nobody likes to have their work criticized. In this case, he didn't really know Just Blaze so he must have felt like who the fuck are you to tell me what I'm doing wrong lol I think the fact that he went back and tried to figure out what he did wrong is endearing, it shows how much he cares about people liking his music, especially if it's a peer. He could have just let pride get in the way and dismissed Just Blaze's opinion. The part that always creeps me out is that he doesn't talk to the people he collaborates with directly, it always has to go through his team. I get why he does it but it's still weird. I wonder how many people actually have his phone number and speak to him directly. It may initially go through his team, but Em ends up talking directly to the artists he works with. He's just the one to call them--not the other way around, Lol. And a lot of times he'll be in the studio with them. He's not a total recluse. But I agree with the rest of your post. Yeah, I know. What I found weird is the need to involve his team after the initial contact. |
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Post by nelly on Jan 24, 2017 19:34:59 GMT -5
I have actually seen this video before. I thought I saw it on here, but I guess not. Anyway...to the thing about Dre mentoring him or not, I think with Dre it is probably different. Meaning that any criticism Em gets from Dre, he sees and constructive and positive because Dre wants the best from him. I saw several interviews he did promoting Recovery where he talked about how he still works hard to impress Dre. Just Blaze is not his mentor so criticism coming from him is not received the same way. Blaze even alluded to that when he was telling the story, talking about how he has established relationships with the other artist he works with so he can make those criticisms and it is fine. The other thing is the comment on "what he did wrong", I don't think how Em received that or Paul telling him that he needed to add something positive to go with the negative is wrong. Just like Blaze said, you have to remember human psychology when dealing with people. I work in HR and have to coach managers all the time on how to provide feedback to their employees and this is exactly what you are supposed to do. It's called the "sandwich" process. You give positive feedback, then the constructive criticism, then positive feedback again. People are more receptive if you "sandwich" the negative stuff in between positive stuff. Otherwise, all they do is get defensive on the negative and make excuses for how you are wrong. I also have done years of Leadership training and this is standard training for anyone in a leadership role. Em going home and listening to it 30 times until he heard what Blaze said shows that he is open to criticism and also shows a real maturity about how he approaches his work. If I had a nickel for every employee that only received negative feedback and no positive, who ignored the feedback and continued to do the same shit, I would be rich and sipping a margarita on the beach right now. Most people, regardless of age and experience, are quite immature when it comes to getting constructive criticism unless handled appropriately. I agree with everything Blaze said. You have to remember humans can be very tricky animals to work with and must be handled with care. i get that there is a way to approach things with people but legit turning ur back on him and being like "i dont hear it," is just condensing especially if you hired this man to help u with your album and thats what he was doing. People dont hire HR to help them lol. Most employees dont give a fuck about their jobs and dont want hr in their business in the first place. But thats not the case for Em. Why hire someone to help you with your album if they are just allowed to kiss your ass? i get it though...people give Em the benefit of the doubt but i just think its weird behavior and confirms that he is used to yes men. I am glad though that after a second thought that he was able to see what blaze was saying. But I have to wonder if his team had to calm him down first or whatever. I agree with tcat about people not being receptive to criticism when it's all negative. I do think the fact that he didn't know Blaze that well played a big part in his initial reaction. And like you said, he is surrounded by yes men who cuddle him too much, he's not used to hearing criticism. He does have a fragile ego and a lot of insecurities so his art is probably the one area in his life where he can feel 100% confident so to hear someone question his work must have been especially hurtful. Didn't Kim say that he always expected to be praised for everything he did for his family because of people praising him for his work? It must be hard to not let it get to your head. But I can relate to Em in that case, when I put a lot of effort into something I get offended if someone else criticizes it. I guess it's just human nature. Now where we differ is that I'm more of a people pleaser so I wouldn't make the other person feel uncomfortable for voicing their opinion. From watching him interact with people in interviews in recent years it feels like Em doesn't give a fuck about how he comes across. You usually see that attitude from old people when they've reached an age where they can't be bothered with other people's feelings lol. Like the interviewer could be making a silly joke and he'd be sitting there across from them with a resting bitch face, not even cracking a smile lol So awkward. |
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